file Using Troglodytia's special ability on a card (the same player) already Suddened

14 Jul 2013 07:46 #51494 by Lönkka
Can Troglodytia still use her ability after the very same player has Suddened the master card she wants to use her speeciality on?


Player A: I play Villein.
Player B: I play Sudden Reversal on Villein.
Player B: I use Troglodytia's special ability on the Villein.

Should you actually use her specialty BEFORE playing the Sudden Reversal?

I figured that since Sudden was played (by the same player no less), the window for Troglodytia's special ability had already gone.


Troglodytia
Independent: After any Methuselah plays a master card, you may look at that Methuselah's hand (after the replacement card is drawn). +1 strength.

Sudden Reversal
Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played (no cost is paid).

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14 Jul 2013 08:02 #51496 by Ohlmann
Isn't both on the same windows, I.E. as the card is played ?

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14 Jul 2013 09:10 #51498 by Ankha
Troglodytia's special occurs "after" the card is played, which is after "as it is played".
"as it is played" occurs even before the card is replaced, so there's no doubt here.

A plays Villein (not replaced)
B plays Sudden Reversal (not replaced)
B replaces SR
A replaces Villein
B use Troglodyta's special.

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14 Jul 2013 10:05 #51499 by Lönkka

Troglodytia's special occurs "after" the card is played, which is after "as it is played".
"as it is played" occurs even before the card is replaced, so there's no doubt here.

"You may look at that Methuselah's hand (after the replacement card is drawn)"

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14 Jul 2013 10:18 #51500 by Ankha

Troglodytia's special occurs "after" the card is played, which is after "as it is played".
"as it is played" occurs even before the card is replaced, so there's no doubt here.

"You may look at that Methuselah's hand (after the replacement card is drawn)"

Yeah, and?

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14 Jul 2013 15:23 #51506 by Lönkka
Sorry, my bad.
Had a brainfart as typed the previous comment between rounds.

Yeah, indeed you need to use Sudden before replacements are drawn.
People tend not to play that way and we all had a communal lapse of thought regarding that.

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