Same action

Another quickie...

the same action terminology says:

•"Same Action" means: 1) The same inherent (cardless) action taken against the same target....

Does this mean Wynn can use his special to attack minion A then freak drive and attack minion B and C and D and E

Wynn is using the text on his card. So, it is not a cardless action. This is how I understand it. (but I've been wrong before)

delangen wrote:

the same action terminology says:

•"Same Action" means: 1) The same inherent (cardless) action taken against the same target....

This is relevant to cards that prevent you from taking the "same action" again this turn, or similar. For example, Change of Target:

It's not relevant to the "No Repeat Action" rules, because they're not based on taking the "same action".

There are plenty of "same action"s that you can repeat (e.g. hunting) and some that you can't (e.g. bleeding), because the rules are written that way.

delangen wrote:

Does this mean Wynn can use his special to attack minion A then freak drive and attack minion B and C and D and E

No.

There are five prohibitions in the rulebook that make up what's colloquially referred to as the NRA rule.

Bleeding and political actions care not one iota for the source of the action. You cannot bleed or take a PA twice with the same minion. And the cardless Red List rush is specifically restricted.

Based on the "same action card" in 6.1.6 (the first entry above for it), you can't Bum's Rush, Freak, Bum's Rush. Or Govern (inferior), Freak, Govern (superior).

6.1.6's "same card in play (including from the minion's own card text)" is what prevents Wynn-rush, Freak, Wynn-rush.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

There are five prohibitions in the rulebook that make up what's colloquially referred to as the NRA rule.

6.1.1: "A minion cannot perform more than one bleed action each turn, even if he untaps."
6.1.7: "A minion cannot perform more than one political action each turn."
6.1.6: "A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card more than once each turn, even if he untaps."
6.1.6: "A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps."
11: "Any ready vampire she controls may enter combat with a marked Red List minion as a +1 stealth action that costs 1 blood. Each vampire can take this action only once each turn."

NIT: There are really only four, as that Red List thing is just a subset of the 6.1.6 rule.

But a beautiful post nevertheless.

KevinM wrote:

NIT: There are really only four, as that Red List thing is just a subset of the 6.1.6 rule.

Nit: you're still just as wrong as you were the last time you were corrected.

www.vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/50772-repeat-diablerie-action

Red List rush is no more an action provided by a card in play in a particular state than diablerie is an action provided by the presence of a vampire in torpor. (If it was, you wouldn't be able to repeat diablerie against the same minion if you were blocked and untapped. Which you can.)


Please, please, please, please stop telling people this. You are wrong.