Angelo in the Uncontrolled Region

What circle is Angelo in the uncontrolled region?
Does his special allow member of Chicago or other circles to include him in their effects while he is uncontrolled?

AFAIK the card text of any minion is inactive while it is not controlled.

While Angelo is in inactive then he is not part of any circle except his own, so nobody (except another Angelo) could include him in their effects.

XZealot wrote:

What circle is Angelo in the uncontrolled region?
Does his special allow member of Chicago or other circles to include him in their effects while he is uncontrolled?

No.

[LSJ 20050926]
Angelo is uncontrolled, and an acting 'normal' Blood Brother plays Unwholesome Bond.

LSJ wrote:

> LSJ, when superior Unwholesome Bond is played, can it then "see" an
> uncontrolled Angelo as a member of any Blood Brother circle even though
> his special text is out of play, in more or less the same way that it
> can "see" an uncontrolled Torrance or Chicago Blood Brother's circle
> even though its circle text is out of play?

No. It can see the clan, capacity, Disciplines, sect, and
even the text of Angelo (or any other vampire), but that doesn't
mean Angelo's special applies when he's not in play. It sees Angelo's
circle as the circle it is, not the circle his special would allow
him to mimic.

Klaital wrote:

While Angelo is in inactive then he is not part of any circle except his own, so nobody (except another Angelo) could include him in their effects.

Yes, but... (This is a little subtle.)

The controlled Angelo uses his special to mimic the circle of one Angelo in your uncontrolled region. They're not all in "Angelo Circle", they're each in their own circle-of-one - and the controlled Angelo can mimic one of them. So if you have three Angelos - one controlled, two uncontrolled - superior Unwholesome Bond gives blood to one Angelo (the one whose circle is copied), not all Angelos (because they're in different circles).


[LSJ 20050927]

LSJ wrote:

>> May Angelo, acting as a Circle of One, use UB (SAN) to move Blood to
>> Angelo(s) in your uncontrolled region?
>
> For one Angelo, the answer seems obvious:
>
> "All Blood Brothers may play cards that require Sanguinus as if Angelo
> were a member of any circle. Angelo can burn a location as a
> action. He cannot have or use retainers. Sterile."
>
> Controlled Angelo is a Blood Brother, Unwholesome Bond requires
> Sanguinus. Uncontrolled Angelo has a circle (otherwise no Unwholesome
> Bond would work, right?). Ergo Controlled Angelo can play Unwholesome
> Bond as if a member of the (anonymous) circle of an uncontrolled Angelo.
>
> It's ambiguous whether "a vampire without a circle designation is his
> own circle" means that all uncontrolled Angelos are part of the same
> circle, but I'd be inclined to say no. For starts we have an obliquely
> related ruling
> (groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2821ec2b7cc6079c)
> that there can't be two vampires in a "circle of one."
>
> Another reason I'd give is that there's a way to express that all
> Angelos are in the same circle - by printing on the card a circle name
> not used by any other vampire. And they didn't do that.

Correct.