file Rötschreck vs Undead Persistence

03 Jan 2014 09:01 #58185 by tesudzi
If i send opposing vampire in torpor with Rotscherck, can he play UP?

Undead Persistence -- Type: Combat -- Discipline: Fortitude -- Cost: None
[for] Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor. This vampire gets an optional press and will not go to torpor until combat ends (although he or she is still considered wounded and can be burned as normal). If three rounds of combat pass with no cards played, combat ends. This vampire is sent into torpor after combat.

Rötschreck -- Type: Master -- Cost: None
Master: out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal. During this vampire's next untap phase, burn this card.

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03 Jan 2014 09:05 #58187 by jamesatzephyr

If i send opposing vampire in torpor with Rotscherck, can he play UP?


No.

[LSJ 20030501]

> Could you play inferior Undead Persistence to survive the
> torpor-sending effect of Rotschreck? I say that you can't since you
> only go to torpor from Rotschreck after it ends combat but I need an
> official statement on this matter.
You are correct.

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03 Jan 2014 09:05 #58188 by kombainas
Undead Persistence does not do anything about ending combat, Rotschreck sends the minion after it ends and Undead Persistence states that it is the time for minion to go to torpor.

!malk! :OBF: :DEM: :cel: :cap6: Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
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06 Jan 2014 11:33 #58246 by Pascal Bertrand

If i send opposing vampire in torpor with Rotscherck, can he play UP?


No.

[LSJ 20030501]

> Could you play inferior Undead Persistence to survive the
> torpor-sending effect of Rotschreck? I say that you can't since you
> only go to torpor from Rotschreck after it ends combat but I need an
> official statement on this matter.
You are correct.

Correct. The major reason is that Rötschreck ends the combat, and, then, sends the minion to torpor.
Undead Persistence is a combat card, which means it can only be played during combat, and thus, can't be played after Rötschreck.

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