Question regarding weapon cost

Be carefull, it works only at close range !

yes, I know, but I have a few resist earth's grasp to maneuver to close or press to continue and avoid the weapon maneuver.

In looking up TV rarity(wtf, the other aims are rare, and i still have more of them?)......

Zip gun and target hand blows up guns, apparently. Assuming they dont cancel it. Thought its vafuely relevant since you were angry about gunning alastors.

I'm a little confused.

People seem to be saying that

A)Peace Treaty/ISS don't "remember" what you paid for the weapon.
B)They don't take into account discounts that were actually applied, but do take into account discounts on the minion that currently possesses the weapon? (i.e. a gun that black cat equipped and then gave away would "cost" 2, but a gun that someone else equipped and then gave to Cat would "cost" 1.

This is odd, since it seems that it conflicts with these rulings about Khobar Towers (which also refers to pool/blood "cost"). The upshot of these was that Khobar "remembers" what you paid for X cost allies (reanimated corpse), but doesn't count discounts like charisma.

vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/20941-reanimated-corpse-and-khobar-towers-al-khubar#20941

groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/duMDktxdYUM/cFCowRD4XbYJ

Malcolm wrote:

A)Peace Treaty/ISS don't "remember" what you paid for the weapon.

Correct. If you got the weapon for free somehow - say, Bauble - the cost of the weapon is still whatever its cost is.

Similarly, if you played Up Yours ("Strike: X damage, where X is the pool cost of the chosen weapon.") against a Flamethrower brought into play with a Horrid Reality. (If this ever happens for real, I will buy you alcohol.)

Malcolm wrote:

B)They don't take into account discounts that were actually applied, but do take into account discounts on the minion that currently possesses the weapon?

Correct. It's a little weird, but it's a very long-standing ruling about Black Cat.

Malcolm wrote:

This is odd, since it seems that it conflicts with these rulings about Khobar Towers (which also refers to pool/blood "cost"). The upshot of these was that Khobar "remembers" what you paid for X cost allies (reanimated corpse), but doesn't count discounts like charisma.

Charisma is basically the same thing as with equipment - it doesn't matter what you paid then, it matters what its cost is now.

The only issue is with whether a card remembers what X is - which it does. And .44 Magnum "remembers" that its pool cost is 2.

I thought id replied to this, but my phone ate it......

Dead hookers cost is always whatever x is. If you give dragos big striga and do fractura for 4 billion, and the opposing minion has a masochism, and plays undying tenacity, 4 billion rush counters show up. If that minion plays dead hooker for 4 billion, and pushes it off the Tower, 4 billion pool is gained. X is always whatever it is.

Now, youd need capacity of 4 billion too, so unlikely, but totally could build decks that specifically can make dead hookers with ankara on a masochism 11 cap, and do x = 44, paying 11 blood, 11 rush counters, and pushing it off the tower for 44 pool. Wow, suddenly up yours ona horrid reality flamethrower seems plausible by comparison. Ive got a flamethrower mass reality horrid reality deck listed out ivecnever built. But noone plays up yours.....