file Malgorzata vs The Capuchin

15 Jul 2015 13:01 #72060 by enriquesmw
Hello, this is a quick question, what happens when a player use the hability from malgorzata in The Capuchin card in the uncontroled region?

For me the answer is clear, the capuchin is removed from the game (and not be suffled by his hability because is when he is burned), but i want to be sure :)

Thx :)

Malgorzata
[AUS][DOM][THA][VIC]
[Tremere antitribu] Tremere antitribu

Capacity: 9

Group: 4

Sabbat priscus: Malgorzata may remove a vampire in your uncontrolled region from the game to add 4 blood from the blood bank to another vampire in your uncontrolled region as a +1 stealth action.

Name: The Capuchin
[Promo-20150219]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls
Group: 5
Capacity: 11
Discipline: AUS DOM FOR NEC THA THN
Independent: If The Capuchin is burned, move him to your uncontrolled region and you get +3 transfers during your next influence phase. +2 hand size. +1 bleed. +1 intercept.

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15 Jul 2015 13:02 #72061 by Ankha
Quick answer: Malgorzata "removes a vampire from the game". That vampire isn't "burned".

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15 Jul 2015 14:15 #72062 by jamesatzephyr

Hello, this is a quick question, what happens when a player use the hability from malgorzata in The Capuchin card in the uncontroled region?


The Capuchin's special ability is completely ignored when he's uncontrolled. Special abilities only work when vampires are in play, unless they have specific card text to say otherwise.

In a similar-ish situation, with someone wondering what happens if Byzar gets burned by some effect when he's uncontrolled

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> > Gisela Harden, The Winnower burns a vampire in the uncontrolled region
> > of my prey with her ability. It´s Byzar, the new 10 cap HoS. Where
> > will this vampire go? To torpor or ash heap? Thanks.
>
> IANLSJ but until Byzar is influenced out, he's an uncontrolled
> "vampire" crypt card, not Byzar. If Gisela burns that card, Byzar's
> text can't enact, he's not Byzar at that point.

Well, he's Byzar (if some card goes looking), but you're correct that
a card's text only applies when that card is in play. He goes to the
ash heap.


Byzar's relevant text is: "If Byzar would be burned, put a burn counter on him and move him to torpor instead."



And, as Ankha points out, Malgorzata's actually removing Capuchin from the game, not burning him. Capuchin's text also wouldn't kick in if he was removed from the game by Golconda: Inner Peace.

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