Timing of "The Line"

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03 Jun 2017 21:13 #82103 by Hakuron

Timing of "The Line" was created by Hakuron

Does "The Line" work like "Creepshow Casino" timing-wise?
I tap/lock it when announcing the action?

Line, The
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Lock to reduce the cost of an action card played by a vampire you control by 1 blood (this location is not locked if that card is canceled as it is played). Any vampire can steal this location as a (D)

action.

Creepshow Casino
Master: unique location.
Tap when a vampire you control announces an undirected action to give that acting vampire +1 stealth; usable even though the stealth is not yet needed.

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04 Jun 2017 23:11 #82108 by Kraus

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How I read it that you lock it to reduce only when you would actually pay the cost, as in once the action is succesful.

Otherwise it would have the 'once announced' clause, wouldn't it?

That's how we've been playing it.

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05 Jun 2017 00:58 #82112 by Boris The Blade

Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Timing of "The Line"

But in that case, it is the clause about cancelling the action that is useless, since that happens long before paying the cost. Without anything on the card, I would say that you can use whenever you want. Most of the time, it would be when you pay the cost, but there might be some fringe benefits to play it earlier (e.g. a minion that can only play cards that cost 0 blood, a minion that gets +1 stealth on actions that cost 0 blood,...) I am not sure there is any effect using that in the current card pool, though.

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05 Jun 2017 07:45 - 05 Jun 2017 07:52 #82113 by Ankha

Replied by Ankha on topic Timing of "The Line"

You can tap it when you would pay the cost, or when announcing the action:

LSJ wrote:
> I searched but couldn't find a definite answer. For the various cards
> that optionally reduce the cost of an action, when does a player
> declare their intention to reduce the cost?
When paying the cost, unless otherwise stated in card text.

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You can also tap it when announcing the action (for instance, if you want to play a 2-blood action with a vampire with only 1 blood), in which case The Line doesn't tap if the action is cancelled.

EDIT: there's even a better analogywith Sunset Strip, Hollywood:

LSJ wrote:
>> When do I tap Sunset Strip to reduce the cost of an ally I'm
>> recruiting or a retainer I'm employing?
>>
>> A) When I play the ally or retainer card
>> B) When the action to recruit or employ is successful
>>
>> I assume it's A, since Sunset Strip doesn't mention reducing the cost
>> when the ally/retainer is played, but I'm wrong about this stuff all
>> the time...
>
> I'd wager that because the card doesn't specify timing (e.g. tap *when
> announcing*... etc.), it is used when the cost is paid.
>
> Like:
>
> Billy recruits a Political Antagonist. DI? Blocks? Ok, action is
> successful, I tap Sunset Strip and pay only 1 pool.
Either is fine. You may need to tap it at announcement in order to attempt the action you could not otherwise afford.