Daemonic Possession

Daemonic Possession

Action, 2 blood, Necromancy,

Only usable if a minion controlled by another Methuselah has been burned since your last turn.
[nec] Move that minion from his owner's ash heap to your ready region with 1 blood or life, and lock them.
[NEC] As above, but do not lock the minion.


I have 2 questions about this card.
Q1: is that D action?
Q2: what exactly does it mean:since your last turn. can be next action my current turn,and if that minion is burned during me last action this turn can I play Daemonic Possession vs him in my next turn? Of course, it's assumed that if it is burned between my 2 turns(in any other turn) I can play Daemonic Possession vs him.

beslin wrote:

I have 2 questions about this card.
Q1: is that D action?

No.

www.vekn.net/general-rulings

beslin wrote:

Q2: what exactly does it mean:since your last turn.

Everything that's happened since you last ended your turn, up to the present moment. So in the situation where there are five players, and it just goes round the table:

1: Your turn (your last turn)
2: B's turn
3: C's turn
4: D's turn
5: E's turn
6: Your turn again

During your turn in 6, you can use it to bring back a minion who was burned during 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6. But not anything that happened in 1 or earlier.

If you act out-of-turn - say you have Enkil Cog or something - and you were acting during, for example, D's turn (4), you could use it to bring back a minion who was burned during 2, 3 or 4.

beslin wrote:

can be next action my current turn,and if that minion is burned during me last action this turn can I play Daemonic Possession vs him in my next turn?

If it's burned during an action in your turn, you can Daemonic Possession it during the same turn - because that is still 'since your last turn'. If you burn it during one turn (1, above), you can't get it back during your next turn (6, above).


[LSJ 20020429]

LSJ wrote:

> Compel the Spirit, Daemonic Possession and Resurrection specifically
> apply to cards that have been burned "since your last turn." If the
> card you wish to affect burns on your own turn, can you Compel/etc it on
> the same turn, on your next turn, both or neither?

Same.

The current (same) turn is "since your last turn."
Your next turn won't qualify.

How is this not a action?
Isn’t the ash heap part of what the player controls? Are actions against uncontrolled regions (if any exist?), libraries or crypts then also not -actions?

It was for me a somewhat surprising ruling, though it wasn't clearly "wrong" in the sense that nothing had really had any bearing on the issue so it was largely up to LSJ to pick an outcome.

I wouldn't personally have any objections to it being overturned for consistency - in broad terms, everything 'over there' belonging to that player and so targeting it is targeting that player, and hence - but as with any ruling change, there is a communication overhead. Probably not a huge one in this case, as my experience is that most players' instincts are that the ash heap should be a target, but still one nonetheless.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

It was for me a somewhat surprising ruling, though it wasn't clearly "wrong" in the sense that nothing had really had any bearing on the issue so it was largely up to LSJ to pick an outcome.

I wouldn't personally have any objections to it being overturned for consistency - in broad terms, everything 'over there' belonging to that player and so targeting it is targeting that player, and hence - but as with any ruling change, there is a communication overhead. Probably not a huge one in this case, as my experience is that most players' instincts are that the ash heap should be a target, but still one nonetheless.

I agree in principle, but I've NEVER had it come up in game.
Other than Daemonic possession, there's like vultures buffet, the nagaraja hunt action, and two steal equipment from ash heap & .
I didn't verify this, but I recall filchwares specifically stating undirected, so I'm not sure it's super relevant to most games.