Delaying Tactics on a card not played from hand

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30 May 2020 14:06 #99979 by lip

Delaying Tactics on a card not played from hand was created by lip

Multiple rulings exist on playing Delaying Tactics on political actions cards not played from hand:

If Charming Lobby was used, the Political Action returns to its owner's hand [LSJ 20030426]
If The Erciyes Fragments was used, the Political Action returns to its owner's hand [LSJ 20050322]
If Bujo is used, the card is not retrieved. [LSJ 20100527]

Do the three rulings still apply ?

If they do, why the difference and how does it apply to other cards that let you play political actions cards "non normally" ?

Delaying Tactics

Charming Lobby

The Erciyes Fragments

Bujo

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30 May 2020 16:20 #99980 by kschaefer

Replied by kschaefer on topic Delaying Tactics on a card not played from hand

There was a card text migration for Delaying Tactics around the KMW/Legacies time frame, which changed "back to his or her hand" to "returned to the owner's hand."

So, the Charming Lobby and Erciyes Fragments simply predate that text migration and the ruling are effectively moot, as they simply restate the now current card text. It's Ankha's show, but in my mind, I'd remove the rulings because they simply reiterate the current card text.

Bujo is simply different than the others as it never plays the card (Bujo chooses), so there's nothing to take back into hand. It seems clear that this ruling still has value because of the non-standard interaction caused by Bujo.

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31 May 2020 04:50 #99982 by lip

Replied by lip on topic Delaying Tactics on a card not played from hand

Thanks for the additional information !

The point on Bujo text is clear, it is still a bit strange as both cards have such a close effect, so I would not mind a confirmation.

In the mean time I'll add the ruling to Bujo then.

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31 May 2020 08:16 #99985 by Ankha

Replied by Ankha on topic Delaying Tactics on a card not played from hand

kschaefer wrote:
There was a card text migration for Delaying Tactics around the KMW/Legacies time frame, which changed "back to his or her hand" to "returned to the owner's hand."

So, the Charming Lobby and Erciyes Fragments simply predate that text migration and the ruling are effectively moot, as they simply restate the now current card text. It's Ankha's show, but in my mind, I'd remove the rulings because they simply reiterate the current card text.

Bujo is simply different than the others as it never plays the card (Bujo chooses), so there's nothing to take back into hand. It seems clear that this ruling still has value because of the non-standard interaction caused by Bujo.

Correct.