file Garrote

20 Jun 2020 11:42 #100154 by jamesatzephyr
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jamesatzephyr wrote: BCP, please could you do something about the ability of players to get official answers to rules problems?


Hi BCP,

Please could you investigate why your Rules Director is ignoring questions for weeks at a time - even when asked in his "preferred" forum?

If you're expecting people to pay for your card game, the least you can do is ensure that you provide answers to ruling questions. That's how serious card games work.
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21 Jun 2020 12:01 #100156 by Ankha
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Hi James,

The question is on my review list, answer will be provided as soon as possible.

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21 Jun 2020 14:21 #100157 by Lech
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Ankha wrote: Hi James,

The question is on my review list, answer will be provided as soon as possible.


Is that similar to Blizzard's "soon"?

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22 Jun 2020 12:47 #100158 by TwoRazorReign
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jamesatzephyr wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote: BCP, please could you do something about the ability of players to get official answers to rules problems?


Hi BCP,

Please could you investigate why your Rules Director is ignoring questions for weeks at a time - even when asked in his "preferred" forum?

If you're expecting people to pay for your card game, the least you can do is ensure that you provide answers to ruling questions. That's how serious card games work.


With all respect given to the people in charge, requiring some weird autocratic and untimely process via asking questions on an internet forum for rulings is less than ideal, especially now that there's paying customers who would like answers sooner than later. I'm hoping the new rulebook and some new rules resources will help make this no longer an issue.

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23 Jun 2020 07:37 #100162 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Garrote

jamesatzephyr wrote: In [LSJ 20010725] , LSJ ruled that burning Garrote to burn a vampire is a replacement effect like Decapitate and Amaranth.

LSJ wrote: Like Decapitate and Amaranth, burning the Garrote would burn the opposing
vampire before he hits torpor.


This isn't terribly relevant for that Facebook thread, as the answer for Tension is one pool is burned either way - either the vampire doesn't go to torpor at all, or it goes to torpor and then isn't ready when it burns - but it would be relevant if a vampire had Fame on them, or similar torpor-requiring effects (Sylvester Simms, Hasina Kesi, Jaggedy Andy etc.).

The thing is, Garrote has been reprinted since then, and is still not worded as a replacement effect, while Decapitate and Amaranth are worded as replacement effects.

Is the ruling out of date (or perhaps wrongly conceived in the first place)? Or does the card text of Garrote need to be updated?

The ruling stands as it is better to have different cards with similar effects behaving the same way. Garrote will be reprinted to reflect it (using the "would go to torpor... burn the vampire instead" template). In the meantime, I'll update the official card text.

jamesatzephyr wrote: This is regarding this Facebook comment and thread .

I don't have access to it to that content/comment, though I do have access to the group.

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