file Deep song vs obedience

02 Jul 2020 15:37 - 02 Jul 2020 15:39 #100229 by Bloodartist
If my vampire is target of a deep song rush action, and I don't block it, can my vampire play obedience or is it locked before I can play it? (reactions have to be played by unlocked minions)

The "about to enter combat" window is kind of confusing.

Name: Deep Song
[KoT:C/A2, HttB:PSam2, Anthology:4, SP:DoF4]
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Animalism
[ani] (D) Bleed with +1 bleed.
[ANI] Frenzy. (D) Enter combat with and lock a vampire. That {target} vampire is considered the acting minion in that combat.

Name: Obedience
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, Sabbat:U, SW:PV, CE:U, Third:U, HttB:PKia3, SP:PoS2]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Dominate
Only usable {if} this vampire is about to enter combat with an acting younger vampire.
[dom] Unlock the acting vampire and end the action. (Do not lock this vampire if they are blocking.) The acting vampire cannot take the same action this turn.
[DOM] As above, but do not unlock the acting vampire.

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02 Jul 2020 15:53 #100233 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Deep song vs obedience

Bloodartist wrote: If my vampire is target of a deep song rush action, and I don't block it, can my vampire play obedience or is it locked before I can play it? (reactions have to be played by unlocked minions)

The "about to enter combat" window is kind of confusing.

Name: Deep Song
[KoT:C/A2, HttB:PSam2, Anthology:4, SP:DoF4]
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Animalism
[ani] (D) Bleed with +1 bleed.
[ANI] Frenzy. (D) Enter combat with and lock a vampire. That {target} vampire is considered the acting minion in that combat.

Name: Obedience
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, Sabbat:U, SW:PV, CE:U, Third:U, HttB:PKia3, SP:PoS2]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Dominate
Only usable {if} this vampire is about to enter combat with an acting younger vampire.
[dom] Unlock the acting vampire and end the action. (Do not lock this vampire if they are blocking.) The acting vampire cannot take the same action this turn.
[DOM] As above, but do not unlock the acting vampire.


Deep Song has a "lock + enter combat effect" (simultaneous).
Obedience is played if the vampire is about to enter combat. "About to" happens before.
So the action is ended by Obedience before the "lock + enter combat effect" happens.

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