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29 Jul 2020 18:55 #100447 by Hobbesgoblin
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Carver's Meat Packing and Storage
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When a vampire of capacity below 4 goes to torpor, put a hostage counter on him. Hostages cannot be moved to the ready region or be diablerized. During your master phase, you may lock this card to move X blood from the blood bank to a ready vampire you control where X is the number of hostages in torpor. Any ready vampire may burn 2 blood to burn any vampire's hostage counter during any unlock phase. Burn all hostage counters if this card leaves play.


Does the bold text fall under the "During X, Do Y" Template, despite being switched around?

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29 Jul 2020 20:58 #100448 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic is Carver's Meat Packing and Storage "burn hostage counter" a "during x do y"?

Any ready vampire may burn 2 blood to burn any vampire's hostage counter during any unlock phase.


It's the same as "During any unlock phase, any ready vampire..."

Does the bold text fall under the "During X, Do Y" Template, despite being switched around?

Yes.
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30 Jul 2020 15:23 - 30 Jul 2020 15:25 #100450 by Joscha
Replied by Joscha on topic is Carver's Meat Packing and Storage "burn hostage counter" a "during x do y"?
So does that mean, two different of your vampires cannot burn two different hostage counters? That seems to be counter intuitive of what the card should do.
Of course it can't do the same vampire, but different ones? (What was the question in our last gane).
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31 Jul 2020 06:50 #100451 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic is Carver's Meat Packing and Storage "burn hostage counter" a "during x do y"?

So does that mean, two different of your vampires cannot burn two different hostage counters? That seems to be counter intuitive of what the card should do.
Of course it can't do the same vampire, but different ones? (What was the question in our last gane).


There's a subtlety here.
If a vampire pays blood to remove a hostage counter, this gives the opportunity to all the vampires (including the vampires of other Methuselahs) to do the same (for other hostage counters). However, you must do so before moving to the next effect.

See also Informant. groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/ZD3ngGeMIlc/0btMZlijc2YJ

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