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Blooded wrote:

Cons boon provides continuous payout, and has a potential maximum cap. With these new rules, I can put an unlimited amount of blood on an uncontrolled, play kaymalkli and gain literally over a hundred pool, in a single master.

What do you mean "unlimited"?

Ooooh... It's out of play non in uncontrolled.
Thanks for the correction.

ResurrectioN wrote:

Descend Into Darkness is going to be a lot of fun.

This rule does not affect it though. It's face down, not uncontrolled.

Blooded wrote:

Cons boon provides continuous payout, and has a potential maximum cap. With these new rules, I can put an unlimited amount of blood on an uncontrolled, play kaymalkli and gain literally over a hundred pool, in a single master.

sure, if you got to that point uncontested.

how many actions can you see yourself taking to get 100 pool thouhg?

and how does con boon have a 'potential max cap', but for some reason your actions to govern down are 'unlimited'?

And your prey will have taken the rest of table while you set up your amazing pool gain.

And what happens if your once per game master is in your opening hand? Are you going to play with 6 cards all game? Do you remove other masters to put extra copies in?

Nothing is preventing a Brutal Influence deck from doing what you're suggesting even before the rules change. But, no one's done it...because it won't get you a win.

Cons boon provides continuous payout, and has a potential maximum cap. With these new rules, I can put an unlimited amount of blood on an uncontrolled, play kaymalkli and gain literally over a hundred pool, in a single master.

Descend Into Darkness is going to be a lot of fun.

Blooded wrote:

Non-existant user wrote:

How so? The new rule would only make the difference from the 8th (!) Honor the Elders, and all the combo does is give the table to a random other big cap deck crosstable.

One big cap rushed out, embrace, 3rd/bamba/etc, call many, many honours. Bring one or two out to maintain vote lock and meantime keep the effective managements flowing with ashur tablets. By the time you kaymalkli you gain mebbe 40-60 pool

GG unoustable

How is it easier than just playing Consanguineous Boon?

Ankha wrote:

Lönkka wrote:

Self-contesting.

I assume that the crypt card that is at full capacity or more will still needs to come out of the uncontrolled during the influence phase, right? (you now just get to apply possible effect that coming to controlled might trigger/enable)

No. It doesn't move any longer automatically to the ready region. It's now an action of the player.

Lönkka wrote:

You just can't leave your minions in the uncontrolled even if you don't want to bring them out for some reason (going to be torporized, Baltimore Purged or whatever), right?

You can leave them, even if they have enough blood to move to the ready region.

OK, thanks!

Bloating just became somewhat more easy.
Let's see if that causes problems later on...

Non-existant user wrote:

How so? The new rule would only make the difference from the 8th (!) Honor the Elders, and all the combo does is give the table to a random other big cap deck crosstable.

One big cap rushed out, embrace, 3rd/bamba/etc, call many, many honours. Bring one or two out to maintain vote lock and meantime keep the effective managements flowing with ashur tablets. By the time you kaymalkli you gain mebbe 40-60 pool

GG unoustable

How so? The new rule would only make the difference from the 8th (!) Honor the Elders, and all the combo does is give the table to a random other big cap deck crosstable.

Well now. The rules changes make sense (no more tourney transfer phase shenanigans where certain players would accidentally end their turn by moving vamps from uncontrolled to controlled while still having transfers left.

This does, however, make an entirely new combo possible. Honour the elders, effective management and Kaymakli nightmares is now a completely broken combo

Ankha wrote:

If the vampire grants additional transfers, those can’t be used on this turn because transfers are gained at the start of the influence phase.

Isn't this just an unnecessary complexity / rule?

If you've changed the influence sequencing rules so you can now order it how you like; wouldn't it also make sense to allow for such benefits.

Some suggested changes to the new rulebook text for grammar and clarity:

At the start of her influence phase, the player gets 4 transfers, except on the first turn of the game where the first player gets 1 transfer, the second player gets 2 transfers, and the third player gets 3 transfers.

What if there are only two players in the game? Consider changing to "except the first three turns of the game, where players get one, two, and three transfers on the first, second, and third turn, respectively."

Like master phase actions, transfers can be spent for different effects, and transfers that don't have been spent are lost when proceeding to the next phase.

Consider changing "don't have been spent" to "have not been spent"

These effects are:
- Spend 1 transfer: move one blood counter from her pool to a vampire in her uncontrolled region
- Spend 2 transfers: move one blood counter from a vampire in her uncontrolled region to her pool
- Spend 4 transfers and pay 1 pool: draw a crypt card.
- Spend 4 transfers and pay 1 pool: merge a base and an advanced version of a vampire.
Some cards allow to spend transfers to produce other effects. Some cards also grant additional transfers.

Consider changing "allow to spend transfers" to "allow spending transfers"

At any time during this phase, if a vampire has at least as many blood counters as his capacity, the player can move to the ready region that vampire.

Consider changing "the player can move to the ready region that vampire" to "the player can move that vampire to the ready region"

The blood counters on the vampire stay on him and become his blood. Blood counters in excess to his capacity are burned (see sec. H.1. Crypt cards). If the vampire grants additional transfer, those can’t be used on this turn as transfers are gained at the start of the influence phase.

Consider changing " If the vampire grants additional transfer, those can’t be used on this turn as transfers are gained at the start of the influence phase." to " If the vampire grants additional transfers, those can’t be used on this turn because transfers are gained at the start of the influence phase.