file Skin of Steel card change

03 Aug 2020 15:04 - 03 Aug 2020 16:16 #100460 by Ripper
Hi,
Does anybody be else think the card, especially the superior, is a bit OP? It seems to disproportionately affect potence. I've seen players shrug off insane amounts of DMG (potence + celerity) and it seems a bit much. Replacing all damage with a number like 4 or 5 would still protect against the majority of strikes but would allow someone using a combo of torn signpost, undead strength and a weapon still inflict some damage. Or increase the cost.
More in line with the source material too I think.
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03 Aug 2020 20:31 - 03 Aug 2020 20:32 #100462 by Ankha
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First of all, one of the key attributes of Fortitude is preventing damage.
Secondly, preventing damage is great, but it's a losing strategy in the end because you're not gaining anything from paying 1 blood each time someone strikes you.
Lastly, Skin of Steel prevents damage from a strike, so it's useless against environmental damage such as Carrion Crows.

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04 Aug 2020 02:28 #100464 by ReverendRevolver
It's fine as is.

It's far from overpowered; it wont win you games and isn't even as efficient at keeping your vamps above ground as RWTP :FOR:

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04 Aug 2020 10:09 #100465 by Lönkka
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Yeah, Fortitude can be annoying for combat decks.
There are several cards that trump a several card combo of gazillion damage with just mere one card. so card efficiency is the thing that might irk some people.

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04 Aug 2020 10:51 #100466 by Ripper
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I would suggest RWTP suffers from the same issue actually. It seems unbalanced to me that brujah players for example could load their decks with potence & celerity cards all to have them stopped by a single card - this can certainly contribute to winning games as the defending player can load their deck with other cards.
Meanwhile non-fortitude decks have very little defense against the same attacks.

Its a minor issue and I think its a great game but there are certainly flaws.

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04 Aug 2020 11:44 #100467 by Yomyael
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In the above mentioned case when striking with a weapon, there is also S:CE that trumps it. Why should Fortitude prevention be worse than that?

If you don't strike with a weapon, you can use Immortal Grapple. Since Skin of Steel and Rolling with the Punches have to be played after the first strike, you can save your celerity cards. With the press from Immortal Grapple, you get to the next round. Torn Signpost still works. With another grapple, you have a new chance to hit your opponent hard using your saved celerity cards. So you needed 1 card (the additional grapple) to trump 1 card. Seems fine to me.

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