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17 Dec 2011 19:50 #18760 by Lech
Replied by Lech on topic Re: Necromancy Cards
Cap is related to generation, not age. Playing skill card just to play this card is awkard, this card isn't good enough to warrant playing master: disciplines in first place.

IF someone would restart V:tES from the ground, the most logical choice would be integrating keywords on crypt card (keyword: mortuus - on vampire, require mortuus on card, ditto with bone and :tha: paths).

I don't want to stick with old card design.

It interact well with Horseshoe, but currently available allies that steal blood also interact well with it, they even seems to be better as they don't require :nec: to play, just :POT: therefore you can do it with more optimized crypt. Even if you play minions with :NEC: you may want to include those old allies instead of spectre as for example youngbloods are better in combat and burn 2 blood instead of one, that old ghoul can burn vampires in torpor and that demon don't cost pool and can have much more life and have maneuver.

The interaction already exist. Spectre have some edge over aforementioned allies, but mostly thanks to breath of thanatos (that would finally become playable) and shroud mastery (that will be playable outside puppeter deck).

:laso: :CEL: :DOM: :OBT: :POT: :cap8:
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17 Dec 2011 20:01 - 17 Dec 2011 20:01 #18761 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Necromancy Cards

Cap is related to generation, not age.

To be precise, cap is related to personal power. They are 5th gen with less cap than 6th generation ; Villon vs Hardestadt being the prime example.

That does not discount your argument. Basically, you rely upon player not trying to do funny thing vs me trying to forbid them anyhow.

for example youngbloods are better in combat and burn 2 blood instead of one, that old ghoul can burn vampires in torpor and that demon don't cost pool and can have much more life and have maneuver.


Don't forget that your card is not unique and is indeed much harder to kill (at :NEC:). It may not be problematic, I was just pointing the main interaction to check if it was for some reason tested.
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17 Dec 2011 20:22 - 17 Dec 2011 20:23 #18762 by echiang
Replied by echiang on topic Re: Necromancy Cards

To be precise, cap is related to personal power. They are 5th gen with less cap than 6th generation ; Villon vs Hardestadt being the prime example.

There is a correlation between capacity and generation.

The rough estimate tends to be:

Capacity = 15 - Generation
or
Capacity = 14 - Generation

Which formula depends on the particular clan in question (and whether they have 11-caps).

Then there's a still a +/- range of 1.

And then particular vampires may have a larger or smaller capacity based on personal power and other factors.

Titles will also necessitate some changes. Even if there are IC members who are 5th or 6th generation, it makes sense that in VTES they'd all be 11-caps (so Hardestadt wouldn't be a good example, because a 9-cap or 10-cap IC would be a problem). Anastasz is only a 9th gen, but he's already the smallest Justicar at 8-capacity and it would have been foolish to have made an even smaller Justicar. Similar issues with Cardinals, Prisci, and Archbishops who tend to be bigger.

Sometimes you'll have neonate vampires (with very potent blood) represented as weenies. Sometimes you'll have neonate vampires (with very potent blood) represented as big vampires - Sergei Voshkov comes to mind, for example.

So those are some general guidelines, based on past vampire cards. Obviously there are no hard and fast rules that cover every situation.

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17 Dec 2011 21:04 #18763 by Ohlmann
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And, of course, neonates are not subject to the generation general rule. When Saulot Embrace someone, it's a 4th generation 1-cap vampire. It's actually pretty sensible since before being able to take advantage of its generation the neonate will need quite a lot of time (and will likely end up diablerized, especially since it's a salubri).

Harbinger are actually the clan that can the more easily have smallcap with very low generation and extremely old. Nicomedes is very likely 1000-years old, older than Villon, and somewhere between the 6th and the 9th generation. But since he spent the better part of thoses 1000 years in the underworld, he don't have too much time to get some experience :p
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