New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
14 Apr 2012 09:11 #27878
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara was created by Ashur
Pawn of Hunedoara
Requires a non-anarch, non-Black Hand vampire of capacity 8 or more.
+2 stealth action
Put this card on this vampire. Once per turn, this vampire may burn 1 blood to untap. Burn this card if this vampire votes in a referendum och plays a card that requires a title.
Game development:
Big caps without title or fortitude seldom see play.
Flavor:
The Inconnu (or one part of it?) highly secretive sect based in Hunedoara, Transylvania. They are after Golconda, or are they infernalists? They recruit old vampires that are not very affiliated with the Jyhad. Being part of their network has advantages.
Balance:
- Narrow in appliance, tries to pin-point seldom used vampires. The reason for not making it “non-titled” is the huge amount of high-cap primogen and bishops that never see play.
- Strong effect, but doesn´t make bleed+vote possible (ie too much ousting power) – might open for some tricky decks though.
Competitiveness:
Not sure. What do you think?
Requires a non-anarch, non-Black Hand vampire of capacity 8 or more.
+2 stealth action
Put this card on this vampire. Once per turn, this vampire may burn 1 blood to untap. Burn this card if this vampire votes in a referendum och plays a card that requires a title.
Game development:
Big caps without title or fortitude seldom see play.
Flavor:
The Inconnu (or one part of it?) highly secretive sect based in Hunedoara, Transylvania. They are after Golconda, or are they infernalists? They recruit old vampires that are not very affiliated with the Jyhad. Being part of their network has advantages.
Balance:
- Narrow in appliance, tries to pin-point seldom used vampires. The reason for not making it “non-titled” is the huge amount of high-cap primogen and bishops that never see play.
- Strong effect, but doesn´t make bleed+vote possible (ie too much ousting power) – might open for some tricky decks though.
Competitiveness:
Not sure. What do you think?
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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14 Apr 2012 09:24 #27879
by Ohlmann
The first thing I think seeing this is multi-rush. One big cap, like Chaundice, act two time per turn to kill minions, while your smallcaps kill methuselahs. It's doubtfully uber-strong, but Rutor Hand have proven being a nice card, and this one will often be even cheaper.
I would add non-Baali, for two reason :
* Inconnu is not openly baali,while baali vampires in VtES are not of the cloaked variety.
* infernal big caps does not need another way to be cheaper to untap.
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
- Strong effect, but doesn´t make bleed+vote possible (ie too much ousting power) – might open for some tricky decks though.
The first thing I think seeing this is multi-rush. One big cap, like Chaundice, act two time per turn to kill minions, while your smallcaps kill methuselahs. It's doubtfully uber-strong, but Rutor Hand have proven being a nice card, and this one will often be even cheaper.
I would add non-Baali, for two reason :
* Inconnu is not openly baali,while baali vampires in VtES are not of the cloaked variety.
* infernal big caps does not need another way to be cheaper to untap.
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14 Apr 2012 09:36 #27880
by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
Exactly. Multi rush decks would be horror with this. Basilia, Lazverinus, Qawwya, Enkidu...
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14 Apr 2012 09:43 #27881
by porphyrion
Replied by porphyrion on topic Re: New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
nice idea.
however, the vampires that benefit most will still be the ones that already see a lot of play (nergal, enkidu, ignazio g., qawiyya, cybele, ...). i would make it for non-infernal only (shattering the gates out-of-turn with enkil cog would perhaps become too easy, a.o). and perhaps they could become independent (or even clanless) when they get this card? (further distancing them from the sects and their struggle). doesn't seem to fit the laibon either, so i would probably exclude those.
the card could cost around 2 blood, i feel, especially with the nice built-in stealth (which is fitting though). they're high-caps anyway who can pay this easily (think how ariadne would becomes cra-zy with this card and a perfectionist).
needs some tinkering but could be a great addition imo!
however, the vampires that benefit most will still be the ones that already see a lot of play (nergal, enkidu, ignazio g., qawiyya, cybele, ...). i would make it for non-infernal only (shattering the gates out-of-turn with enkil cog would perhaps become too easy, a.o). and perhaps they could become independent (or even clanless) when they get this card? (further distancing them from the sects and their struggle). doesn't seem to fit the laibon either, so i would probably exclude those.
the card could cost around 2 blood, i feel, especially with the nice built-in stealth (which is fitting though). they're high-caps anyway who can pay this easily (think how ariadne would becomes cra-zy with this card and a perfectionist).
needs some tinkering but could be a great addition imo!
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14 Apr 2012 10:29 #27885
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic Re: New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
Thanks for the replies. I regonize all your points and will try to adress them in the second draft. It gets very messy though, and I prefer as few words as possibly on cards I design.
Non-infernal: Yes, although I would prefer not too add that, because of the rumours of the Inconnu being infernalists.
Multi-rush: Yes, that will possibly get broken. But I´m not sure what to do about it, in a nice design. Any ideas?
Making the Pawn independent: Sure, would be easy, but I kind of like the idea with keeping the votes and forefeiting the card in dire straits.
Non-infernal: Yes, although I would prefer not too add that, because of the rumours of the Inconnu being infernalists.
Multi-rush: Yes, that will possibly get broken. But I´m not sure what to do about it, in a nice design. Any ideas?
Making the Pawn independent: Sure, would be easy, but I kind of like the idea with keeping the votes and forefeiting the card in dire straits.
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14 Apr 2012 11:47 - 14 Apr 2012 11:47 #27891
by Malex
Replied by Malex on topic Re: New card idea: Pawn of Hunedoara
Ideas and thoughts:
*Add a clause like the one on Blithe Acceptance:
Burn this card if this vampire enters combat. This vampire can burn 1 blood when he enters combat instead of burning this card.
*Non-Baali is also mainly solving the Infernal problem. Would Helena or Petaniqua be broken with this card? I don't know too much lore, but wouldn't it be possible to argue that Baali are those openly infernal, while this card relates to those secretly infernal?
I like the card! Good work!
*Add a clause like the one on Blithe Acceptance:
Burn this card if this vampire enters combat. This vampire can burn 1 blood when he enters combat instead of burning this card.
*Non-Baali is also mainly solving the Infernal problem. Would Helena or Petaniqua be broken with this card? I don't know too much lore, but wouldn't it be possible to argue that Baali are those openly infernal, while this card relates to those secretly infernal?
I like the card! Good work!
Last edit: 14 Apr 2012 11:47 by Malex.
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