Submission: Camarilla Conclave

Fun fact: technically, First Tradition does not burn pool

Bloodartist wrote:

Kraus wrote:

The main beef I have with this card is the recursion effect, which could be used to infinitely recur Parity Shifts and Kine Resource Contested.

I agree. Recursion is almost always an extremely strong effect in any CCG, not just VTES. A recursion effect was even recently banned in VTES (Anthelios) also.

Slightly offtopic: if there would be new politically related cards introduced, I think they should be aimed at Sabbat and not Camarilla. I have been terribly vexed that Sabbat voting is pretty much strictly inferior to Camarilla. Sabbat doesn't have any actually good political actions that are exclusive to Sabbat(there is basically only auto da fe), and it can't play the best cards (parity shift, alastor). Even if you make a sabbat vote deck, it uses the exact same cards as Camarilla (kine etc), which I find extremely boring. Just for flavor reasons, I think there should be some sabbat-specific political cards introduced.

Mathematically speaking, there are two votes for Sabbat that have the potential to remove a great deal of blood from the table, but they just aren't good enough in practice: Public Vilification and Deploy the Hand. Both have powerful effects, like actually powerful, but they don't directly deal with blood and have pretty hard restrictions.

I'd really love to see someone make a powerful deck with these, but they just don't compare that favorably to raw pool damage. Sad.

But then again, that's a challenge for someone willing to try it! A combat Regent deck with blood control around the board and... oh god it's never going to happen.

Updated.

There are currently only 10 cards that this version of the card can target. The big two are Fifth Tradition: Hospitality and Fourth Tradition: The Accounting. Neither of which are bad cards but they almost never see play. This version is nearly identical as the Sabbat version but Camarilla currently have very few sect specific actions. I am hoping that will change in the future.

Camarilla Conclave
Master
2 pool
Master: unique location
You may lock this card after a vampire successfully uses an action requiring a Camarilla vampire, to unlock the acting vampire. As a discard phase action, you may exchange a card in your hand for an action card requiring a Camarilla vampire, in your ash heap.

Ashur wrote:

I personally think we should be VERY restrictive with card recursion in VTES. Switching a card is not enough IMHO - I would say a cost of 1 blood from a vamp OR 1 pool OR tapping a vamp in addition to the card "payed".

Im not a fan of much more text on this card, but adding another requirement (requires a ready Primigen) to the beginning and requiring the discarded card be either a Master (once again a real drawback with Anthelios out of the picture) or making you pitch a card of the same type are less wordy extra restrictions.......

Which it unfortunately needs. Parity shift, bloat to a younger vamp, recurring judgement: cam seg, ready access to extra second trads if you're walling up, and less likely but still annoying are things like archon (which nobody burns for some reason) anathema, and I'm sure something else but I haven't checked secret library on the subject.
Bright side, at least PTO isnt going to recur with it........