file Contesting Titles

17 May 2018 16:19 #87070 by kschaefer
Contesting Titles was created by kschaefer
While we're on the subject of rules that suck, cf. the scarce rule and contesting vampires, I got one.

Why should barons have to pay an additional blood to contest with a prince or archbishop?

Fee Stakes have a vote drawback (seriously wtf), do we need to screw over Barons that badly? Are they really that overpowered?

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17 May 2018 17:45 #87075 by Cat_in_Exile
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Actually, this is probably the only suggested change to the current contesting rules I think I'd be in favor of, but only because the anarchs are now their own sect.

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17 May 2018 18:44 - 17 May 2018 18:46 #87079 by Whisker
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kschaefer wrote: Why should barons have to pay an additional blood to contest with a prince or archbishop?

Fee Stakes have a vote drawback (seriously wtf), do we need to screw over Barons that badly? Are they really that overpowered?


As far as I know there are two reasons for this:
1. Background fluff; Other sects are simply bigger than anarch and have more resources to throw around for contesting rulership of cities.
2. Balance: It's far easier gaining titles by doing simple +1 stealh Fee Stake action than +1 stealth political action and also win the vote for praxis or crusade.
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17 May 2018 19:17 #87082 by Kushiel
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Whisker wrote: 1. Background fluff; Other sects are simply bigger than anarch and have more resources to throw around for contesting rulership of cities.


Not that you're wrong, but this is always a poor reason for any rule in this game, because this game does a terribly sloppy job of trying to emulate the RPG.

Whisker wrote: 2. Balance: It's far easier gaining titles by doing simple +1 stealh Fee Stake action than +1 stealth political action and also win the vote for praxis or crusade.


That's already balanced by the fact that Fee Stakes have a built-in removal clause, which no other titles do.

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17 May 2018 19:52 - 17 May 2018 19:53 #87086 by elotar
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Kushiel wrote: but this is always a poor reason for any rule in this game, because this game does a terribly sloppy job of trying to emulate the RPG.


Actually I think quite the opposite - VtES represents fluff much better that any edition of VTM. "Sloppy job" is in communicating how it's doing it, so even artists, for example, think that with torn signpost you should hit somebody.

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17 May 2018 20:15 #87088 by Kraus
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...do Barons have to pay extra for contest?

Wow.

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