Anarch-ing Parmenides

Pascal wrote:

js_vtes wrote:

When you influence out Parmenides, is there an opportunity to make him Anarch using, for example, Anarch Convert or Twilight Camp, before he slides over to your predator?

Twilight Camp: Yes. He's moved in play from your uncontrolled area during your influence phase.

Cool. To confirm, Twilight Camp would also work thusly if Parm is brought into play during the minion phase by Undue Influence at [qui], correct?

Undue Influence
[KMW:C]
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Chimerstry/Presence/Quietus
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch. Choose a vampire in your uncontrolled region.
[chi] Move 1 blood from an uncontrolled minion in any uncontrolled region to the chosen vampire.

  Bleed. If the bleed is successful, put 1 blood counter on the chosen vampire.

[qui] Put 1 blood counter on the chosen vampire. If the number of counters equals or exceeds his or her capacity, move that vampire to your ready region.



	

		 Pascal wrote: 
		
Anarch Convert: No. When Parmenides is influenced out, your predator takes control of him. Then, other vampires might move to your ready region during that influence phase, but you won't be controlling Parmenides anymore.




Ah, OK. I thought I'd seen something somewhere that said everybody's technically influenced up at the same time, but the one-at-a-time sequencing makes more sense to my simple brain.



	

		 Pascal wrote: 
		


	

		 js_vtes wrote: 
		
Or might one be better off just using Seattle Committee after he comes back to your control?


Seattle Committe is only usable if Parmenides didn't become an anarch, which is something that might occur during your predator's turn 




Indeed. Though it would be a pretty benign predator that would choose to enable their prey's strategy rather than just bleeding or trying to get Parm killed somehow.

js_vtes wrote:

To confirm, Twilight Camp would also work thusly if Parm is brought into play during the minion phase by Undue Influence at [qui], correct?

Indeed correct.

js_vtes wrote:

Ah, OK. I thought I'd seen something somewhere that said everybody's technically influenced up at the same time, but the one-at-a-time sequencing makes more sense to my simple brain.

It's also simpler to remember that you can't bypass the scarce rule by influencing out two scarce vampires in the same influence phase, hoping there would be no scarce penalty to pay.

Pascal wrote:

wesile wrote:

What happens if you "Chain of Command" Parmenides? Let's look at it in slow-mo, in two different cases:

* Case 1: Parmenides is the only guy in your Chain. He moves to your predator. Can he bleed? 99% of the time, the answer will be "no" (other cases are: someone turned him Malkavian and there's the Madness Network in play, or you are playing Malkavians and acting during your predator's turn - in these cases, he must bleed). So, since he can't bleed, CoC returns him under your crypt.

Thought so... but I was troubled by the change of controller. So you have a vampire that is out of your control but its still under influence of a card that you have played.

Does the other player have the windows to use heidelberg or similar effects?

wesile wrote:

wesile wrote:

What happens if you "Chain of Command" Parmenides {alone}?

Does the other player have the windows to use heidelberg or similar effects?

Hmm, triggered vs impulse. Good question. I would tend to say No, but I need to check that one.

I'm confused - is there any scenario where Parmenide's control is any different than:
A. Like Spirit Marionette in reverse, so yes - temporary controller can use Heidelberg Castle.
B. Longer than A so there's even more time to use it.

If your question is about using it yourself, thus during the resolution of an action, I would say you can't.

Good one Eliseu.
You're getting people confused. In a good way, I guess.

Tiago

The same question can also arise with Rabbat, and in that case the situation is a bit simpler since only one player is involved.