file Bidding for more pool than you have when Temptation of Greater Power is played

19 Jan 2013 18:43 #44239 by shornbuck1
Can a player bid more pool than he has in response to a Temptation of Greater Power? This includes the 5 on loan from the blood bank. So for instance, a player has 5 pool, can he bid 11 even though this will oust him and he doesn't actually have 11 pool to bid?

I found a post from LSJ that I think answers the question in the negative, but I wanted to confirm. Here is the post cut and pasted:

•From: LSJ <vtesrep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
•Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:49:48 -0400




ira212@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Hello LSJ,

Assume Player A has no reasonable chances of getting any more VPs.


Caveat for everyone's reference: this is a severe restriction. Please note that it is assumed to be true in this reply.

If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
+5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
control of the vampire change?


No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more.

He could bid 6 pool (his remaining 1 pool after paying the cost of ToGP plus 5 on credit). If he does so, and he wins the bid, control changes. Card text.


Thanks,
Ira

Name: Temptation of Greater Power
[Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 3 pool
Master. Requires a ready justicar.
Choose a vampire. Methuselahs may bid pool for control of that
vampire. The winning bid is paid to the blood bank. Methuselahs may be
credited up to 5 pool on the bid: winner pays 1 pool toward his or her
debt during his or her discard phase until the debt is repaid. Only 1
Temptation of Greater Power can be played in a game.

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20 Jan 2013 09:59 #44250 by Squidalot
Not sure what else you need from:

"No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more."

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20 Jan 2013 21:17 #44262 by shornbuck1
I just want to make sure there is not a conflicting ruling and that the ruling has not changed.

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28 Jan 2013 07:02 #44506 by Pascal Bertrand

If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
+5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
control of the vampire change?


No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more.

He could bid 6 pool (his remaining 1 pool after paying the cost of ToGP plus 5 on credit). If he does so, and he wins the bid, control changes. Card text.

Correct.

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