Advancements

Clarrification please on Marcus Vitel. If I had the basic version out and then Merged, he becomes sabat, still the prince of Washington DC, and all Sabbat Vampires (including himself as Merged) would get +2 Bleed against Methuselahs who control Camarilla vampires? Right?

Marcus Vitel:
Camarilla Prince of Washington D.C.: Marcus can burn a retainer as a +1 stealth action. While Marcus is ready and a prince Sabbat vampires you control get +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

Marcus Vitel (ADV):
Advanced, Sabbat: Any Brujah may enter combat with Marcus as a action. [MERGE] While he is ready and Sabbat, your Sabbat vampires get +1 bleed against a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

nope... cannot be sabbat and be a prince

Trigger wrote:

Clarrification please on Marcus Vitel. If I had the basic version out and then Merged, he becomes sabat, still the prince of Washington DC, and all Sabbat Vampires (including himself as Merged) would get +2 Bleed against Methuselahs who control Camarilla vampires? Right?

Marcus Vitel:
Camarilla Prince of Washington D.C.: Marcus can burn a retainer as a +1 stealth action. While Marcus is ready and a prince Sabbat vampires you control get +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

Marcus Vitel (ADV):
Advanced, Sabbat: Any Brujah may enter combat with Marcus as a action. [MERGE] While he is ready and Sabbat, your Sabbat vampires get +1 bleed against a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

I think he loses the prince title. From section 10: "A vampire must belong to the appropriate sect to receive a title. If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects to a clan or sect inappropriate for his title, he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes appropriately."

The rulebook section 1.5 states:

When merged, the text on the base card still applies, but the rest of the card is ignored (capacity, Disciplines, etc.). The advancement card applies in full. If the advancement card conflicts with the base card (a different sect, for example), the advancement card has precedence. Some merged cards have an additional effect that only applies if the card is merged with its base card. Such an effect is identified in the card text by a "merged" icon.

So Sabbat membership overrules the Camarilla membership, and Marcus loses his title.

The Marcus Vitel (merged) would like this:

Sabbat: Marcus can burn a retainer as a +1 stealth action. While Marcus is ready and a prince Sabbat vampires you control get +1 bleed when bleeding a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.
Any Brujah may enter combat with Marcus as a action. While he is ready and Sabbat, your Sabbat vampires get +1 bleed against a Methuselah who controls a ready Camarilla vampire.

Got it. So whats the benefit of merging them if he is to loose his title? the extra disciple Potence? He still gives Sabbat Vampires +1 bleed. Just curious.

Trigger wrote:

Got it. So whats the benefit of merging them if he is to loose his title? the extra disciple Potence? He still gives Sabbat Vampires +1 bleed. Just curious.

Merged Vitel is Sabbat and gives the +bleed bonus to himself as well. Whoopdedoo.