Govern, Ghouled, Imbued...

Brum wrote:

PS: Govern says "..to a younger vampire...". Imbued are not vampires. They are mortal allies.
So, no.

It is not so simple. There are cards that are written "vampires" but that can target Imbued, and the whole rulings section in the Imbued rules is dedicated to it. The rule of thumb is: if you can see what you are targeting, then vampire means vampire. If you cannot, then vampire means crypt card.

Govern the Unaligned targets cards in your uncontrolled region, and you can look at those at any time, so vampire really means vampire in that case, and it cannot target an Imbued.

EDIT: it seems that card texts online have been updated to replace all the wrong "vampire" with "uncontrolled minion" or something similar, but many of those cards have never been reprinted.

edminister wrote:

As it stands, the Nights of Reckoning set is the biggest rules addendum so far and for what? A handful of minions that are all in the same group with what appears to be no future releases for it, admit it as a mistake and ban the damned things now and move on with lessons learned or get creative and build on it for better or worse.

Hi there. You may not have noticed, but this is the forum for rules questions, not the one for campaigning for bans.

edminister wrote:

An action taken to move pool onto an uncontrolled minion in the crypt is evidently NOT a recruitment action despite the fact that by description that is exactly what you are doing with cards like Govern. If this is a living game and we expect to see other expansions in the future that do not focus primarily on vampires this might need to be clarified.

i mean, i get that's largely the end result, but an action that puts counters on cards in your crypt is just that: an action that puts counters on cards in your crypt. A recruit action is pretty specific in its scope:

the wrote:

6.1.5. Recruit Ally (+1 stealth)

Allies are action cards that become minions in their own right, capable of acting and blocking independently of the minion that recruits them. The recruit ally action has a default +1 stealth.

To recruit an ally from your hand, play the card and tap the acting minion. If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your uncontrolled region, even though it is controlled, to indicate that it cannot act this turn (and the cost, if any, is paid). If the action is unsuccessful, the card is burned (see Resolve the Action, sec. 6.2.3). Only one ally card can be recruited per action. Note that allies brought into play by other means are able to act on the same turn, by default.

At the end of the turn, any allies that were placed in your uncontrolled region (to indicate that they cannot act) are moved to your ready region.
When an ally is brought into play (by any means), he receives blood counters from the blood bank to represent his life (listed on the ally's card). When an ally loses his last life counter, he is burned. If recruiting the ally requires a Discipline and the ally is put into play by some means other than recruiting, use the normal version of the ally, if it is different than the superior.

edminister wrote:

Copying and pasting the text of cards is a lot of work when you want a simple and quick answer, I am asking a question not writing a book.

Then you shouldn't ask questions when you haven't even taken the time to respect the card and the game by reading it.

Wow, three very rude responses from active and upstanding members of our community (one an admin!). Good thing that VTES has so many players that our community can afford to alienate (new?) players by calling them stupid and lazy.