Kraken's Kiss, Telepathic Tracking and S:CE

Timo wrote:

Is there another example of strike card that have other effect(s) not directly related to the strike ?

I was thinking of sup Aid From Bats or sup Thrown Sewer Lid at first but the question of whether you get the press or not is kinda moot ^^

I've found these for now :
Supposing that vamp A plays the strike in question, vamp B plays strike : combat ends, vamp A plays telepathic tracking.

Forearm Block :
Strike: prevent 2 damage from the opposing minion's next hand strike this round (including any currently-resolving hand strike). If another round of combat occurs, this minion gets first strike on his or her initial strike that round.

Does vamp A get first strike in the following round ?

Taming the beast :
[abo] Strike: hand strike at +1 damage. This combat, this minion cannot cancel frenzy cards nor press to end.

Does the "cannot cancel frenzy cards" limitation kick in ?
By the way, vamp A plays Taming the Beast, vamp B declares aggravated hand strike and then Rotschreck. Can A cancel the Rotschreck, since Taming the Beast has not resolved yet ?

You have quite interesting questions !

but I think you should start another topic for the sake of Floppy's sanity

EDIT : I mean about the r¨tschreck part. The rest is obviously related !

It is a related question (the rotschreck part) :

If the drawback is tied to the resolution of the strike, you can cancel Rotschreck.
If it is tied to the play of the card, you can't ^^

I think I have found something which is related :

groups.google.com/forum/?hl=fr#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/J1V7HOb2tQE

It says by LSJ :

A dodge negates all of the effects the strike would have on the dodging
minion. It doesn't negate a press (e.g., dodging a superior Thrown Sewer Lid
won't negate the press).

So I guess that as long as the strike card is not cancelled and the other effect is not related to the strike, a S:CE followed by a TT will see the other effects given by the strike card applied as normal.

Timo wrote:

I think I have found something which is related :

groups.google.com/forum/?hl=fr#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/J1V7HOb2tQE

It says by LSJ :

A dodge negates all of the effects the strike would have on the dodging
minion. It doesn't negate a press (e.g., dodging a superior Thrown Sewer Lid
won't negate the press).

So I guess that as long as the strike card is not cancelled and the other effect is not related to the strike, a S:CE followed by a TT will see the other effects given by the strike card applied as normal.

It's different : in the case of a dodge, you actually reach the resolution of the strike. In the case of a strike : combat ends, you don't.

Similarity: sup Aid from Bats vs Immortal Grapple.
Aid from Bat's press is still available during the press step, even though the Aid from Bats strike isn't resolved.

[LSJ 20070307]

Bam Vink wrote:
> I'd say you gain the press as soon as you play the card. So if you
> have maneuvered with it, you've gained your optional press. That you
> have to forego striking because you have committed to a restricted
> strike doesn't affect the press already gained. You still have played
> this card, and have gained the press already. No retroactive changing
> of that.

Correct.
If the Aid from Bats is not canceled as it is played, then Beast gets an
optional press during the press step of that round.

It looks safe to follow that line.

A plays Kraken's Kiss. B uses Flamethrower (2R agg damage). Someone plays Rötschreck, and A (or B) plays Telepathic Tracking.
In the new round, A can use Kraken's Kiss to steal 2 blood.