Non-Camarilla Zane

Zane
Clan: Tremere (group 5)
Capacity: 5
Disciplines: THA aus dom
Camarilla primogen: If Zane is not a prince, he can call a referendum to receive (and contest) the title held by a prince in play as a +1 stealth political action.

If Zane becomes Non-Camarilla (e.x. Anarch Secession), then can he still call his special vote to receive (and contest) the title held by a prince in play as a +1 stealth political action?

XZealot wrote:

Zane
Clan: Tremere (group 5)
Capacity: 5
Disciplines: THA aus dom
Camarilla primogen: If Zane is not a prince, he can call a referendum to receive (and contest) the title held by a prince in play as a +1 stealth political action.

If Zane becomes Non-Camarilla (e.x. Anarch Secession), then can he still call his special vote to receive (and contest) the title held by a prince in play as a +1 stealth political action?

i think he can, but immediately yields his title because he's not camarilla, and one needs to be camarilla to be a prince.

XZealot wrote:

If Zane becomes Non-Camarilla (e.x. Anarch Secession), then can he still call his special vote to receive (and contest) the title held by a prince in play as a +1 stealth political action?

No, he can't call the vote. Maxwell and Horatio work in the same way.

[LSJ 20030630]

LSJ wrote:

> from the RTR page:
>
> Horatio Ballard: Horatio cannot use his special ability to become a
> Prince if he has changed sect and is no longer Camarilla. [LSJ
> 20030202]
>
> Maxwell: Maxwell cannot use his special ability to become a Prince if
> he has changed sect and is no longer Camarilla. [LSJ 20030202]
Correct.

The rule that Praxes can only be called by Camarilla is a function of the
rule that only Camarilla vampires can become princes - it is not a specific
rule unto itself. Horatio and Maxwell are covered under the same rule.

If Zane was a Prince already and changed sect so that his title went inert, he'd stop contesting (i.e. yield) it.

Rulebook, wrote:

A vampire must belong to the appropriate sect to receive a title. If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects to a clan or sect inappropriate for his title, he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes appropriately. If he receives a new title, or if his title is contested (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2), he immediately yields the old title.

If he has the title and it's not being contested when he changes sect (e.g. the other vampire has already yielded, or been burned), the title goes inert while he's the wrong sect.