Cause and Effect - S04E03
24 Sep 2012 03:11 - 27 Sep 2012 15:28 #37614
by Forhead
Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark
Cause and Effect - S04E03 was created by Forhead
Greetings!
The third episode of the fourth season is now uploaded to youtube. In this episode we talk about Flurry of Action and two decks in which it features prominently. We also talk about other non-standard multiacting as well as give some tips for drafting. Enjoy!
The next episode will air 7th of October at 20:00 CET.
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The third episode of the fourth season is now uploaded to youtube. In this episode we talk about Flurry of Action and two decks in which it features prominently. We also talk about other non-standard multiacting as well as give some tips for drafting. Enjoy!
The next episode will air 7th of October at 20:00 CET.
Part 1:
Part 2:
Warning: Spoiler!
QCF & MQE Lille, France, April 3, 2010, 34 players, 3R + F
Deck Name : Order 66 Author : Benoit Moyen
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 8.5
3x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC Tremere:4
2x Adana de Sforza 11 CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus Brujah:4
2x Rafael de Corazon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF PRE Toreador:4
1x Yazid Tamari 8 CEL QUI ani dom obf Assamite:3
1x Suzanne Kadim 7 CEL PRE aus dom obf Toreador:3
1x Catherine du Bois 5 DOM for obf pre Ventrue:3
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM !Tremere:4
1x Jackson Asher 2 dom Ventrue:4
Library [65 cards]
Action [8]
8x Flurry of Action
Action Modifier [15]
2x Approximation of Loyalty
2x Conditioning
2x Elder Impersonation
1x Enkil Cog
2x Foreshadowing Destruction
1x Into Thin Air
3x Lost in Crowds
2x Veil the Legions
Political Action [5]
2x Banishment
1x Kine Resources Contested
1x Neonate Breach
1x Reins of Power
Combat [2]
2x Majesty
Action Modifier/Combat [2]
2x Swallowed by the Night
Master [22]
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
4x Information Highway
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Secure Haven
6x Villein
1x Wash
4x Zillah's Valley
Reaction [11]
5x Deflection
5x Obedience
1x On the Qui Vive
Deck Name : Order 66 Author : Benoit Moyen
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 11 average: 8.5
3x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC Tremere:4
2x Adana de Sforza 11 CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus Brujah:4
2x Rafael de Corazon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF PRE Toreador:4
1x Yazid Tamari 8 CEL QUI ani dom obf Assamite:3
1x Suzanne Kadim 7 CEL PRE aus dom obf Toreador:3
1x Catherine du Bois 5 DOM for obf pre Ventrue:3
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM !Tremere:4
1x Jackson Asher 2 dom Ventrue:4
Library [65 cards]
Action [8]
8x Flurry of Action
Action Modifier [15]
2x Approximation of Loyalty
2x Conditioning
2x Elder Impersonation
1x Enkil Cog
2x Foreshadowing Destruction
1x Into Thin Air
3x Lost in Crowds
2x Veil the Legions
Political Action [5]
2x Banishment
1x Kine Resources Contested
1x Neonate Breach
1x Reins of Power
Combat [2]
2x Majesty
Action Modifier/Combat [2]
2x Swallowed by the Night
Master [22]
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
4x Information Highway
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Secure Haven
6x Villein
1x Wash
4x Zillah's Valley
Reaction [11]
5x Deflection
5x Obedience
1x On the Qui Vive
Warning: Spoiler!
April 4, 2011, 13 players, Created By: Tuomas Nyberg
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 12, Max: 40, Avg: 7,33)
4 The unnamed CEL DAI OBF PRE PRO 10 Baali
4 Santaleous AUS CEL DEM OBF 9 Malkavian
2 Tyler McGill AUS pre 4 Toreador
1 Veejay Vinod AUS 3 Nagaraja
1 Anarch Convert none 1 Caitiff
Library: (82 cards)
Master (17 cards)
1 Archon Investigation
2 Asylum Hunting Ground
6 Blood Doll
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
1 Metro Underground
2 Perfectionist
1 Secure Haven
1 Wider View
Action (11 cards)
1 Conceal
1 Contagion
8 Flurry of Action
1 Unleash Hell's Fury
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Cooler
1 Heart of Nizchetus
Combo (12 cards)
2 Sense the Sin
7 Swallowed by the Night
3 Touch of Clarity
Action Modifier (17 cards)
3 Cloak the Gathering
1 Elder Impersonation
2 Enkil Cog
3 Faceless Night
5 Lost in Crowds
3 Spying Mission
Reaction (15 cards)
1 Eyes of Argus
1 My Enemy's Enemy
6 On the Qui Vive
1 Telepathic Counter
6 Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (4 cards)
4 Preternatural Evasion
Ally (1 cards)
1 Veneficti (Mage)
Retainer (3 cards)
1 D'habi Revenant
1 J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1 Tasha Morgan
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 12, Max: 40, Avg: 7,33)
4 The unnamed CEL DAI OBF PRE PRO 10 Baali
4 Santaleous AUS CEL DEM OBF 9 Malkavian
2 Tyler McGill AUS pre 4 Toreador
1 Veejay Vinod AUS 3 Nagaraja
1 Anarch Convert none 1 Caitiff
Library: (82 cards)
Master (17 cards)
1 Archon Investigation
2 Asylum Hunting Ground
6 Blood Doll
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
1 Metro Underground
2 Perfectionist
1 Secure Haven
1 Wider View
Action (11 cards)
1 Conceal
1 Contagion
8 Flurry of Action
1 Unleash Hell's Fury
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Cooler
1 Heart of Nizchetus
Combo (12 cards)
2 Sense the Sin
7 Swallowed by the Night
3 Touch of Clarity
Action Modifier (17 cards)
3 Cloak the Gathering
1 Elder Impersonation
2 Enkil Cog
3 Faceless Night
5 Lost in Crowds
3 Spying Mission
Reaction (15 cards)
1 Eyes of Argus
1 My Enemy's Enemy
6 On the Qui Vive
1 Telepathic Counter
6 Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (4 cards)
4 Preternatural Evasion
Ally (1 cards)
1 Veneficti (Mage)
Retainer (3 cards)
1 D'habi Revenant
1 J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1 Tasha Morgan
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Last edit: 27 Sep 2012 15:28 by Forhead.
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26 Sep 2012 06:52 #37780
by Lambach
Replied by Lambach on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S04E03
Thanks guys very entertaining episode. That IC deck looks fun. Might have to try it out in my Meta
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26 Sep 2012 07:31 #37784
by Kiddo
Replied by Kiddo on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S04E03
I'm trying it today. I've changed it just a bit (swap Majesties for Pret Evasion, since Mistress doesn't have PRE), but damn this deck looks fragile as hell and very dependant on card flow (you have to bleed first via Flurry in order to multiact and/or stay untapped for blocking (Obedience) and Redirect). I'm not sure it is worth it, but it sure looks like a fun deck...Thanks guys very entertaining episode. That IC deck looks fun. Might have to try it out in my Meta
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26 Sep 2012 12:17 #37797
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/
Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S04E03
I enjoyed the episode, but I thought there was a missed opportunity to talk about Ian Lee's recent TWD and how something like that can work. I am just personally bored by Unnamed tricks, I guess.
IC members playing Flurry of Action was interesting. Why must Nosferatu get so hosed for IC members? What's with Josef's inferior cel? (and lack of bounce or fortitude...)
Josef von Bauren
[cel][ANI][DEM][OBF][POT]
Nosferatu
Capacity: 11
Group: 4
Camarilla Nosferatu Inner Circle: You may use a discard phase action to discard a card at random from your predator or prey's hand. +1 bleed. +1 stealth.
IC members playing Flurry of Action was interesting. Why must Nosferatu get so hosed for IC members? What's with Josef's inferior cel? (and lack of bounce or fortitude...)
Josef von Bauren
[cel][ANI][DEM][OBF][POT]
Nosferatu
Capacity: 11
Group: 4
Camarilla Nosferatu Inner Circle: You may use a discard phase action to discard a card at random from your predator or prey's hand. +1 bleed. +1 stealth.
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/
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26 Sep 2012 18:19 #37813
by Xaddam
I suppose it is kinda fragile. I don't think it's fragile because card flow, since it is a 65 card deck (and can easily be 60). But 11 caps with limited combat defense and few bounces are risky.
Adam Esbjörnsson,
Prince of Örebro
Replied by Xaddam on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S04E03
I'm trying it today. I've changed it just a bit (swap Majesties for Pret Evasion, since Mistress doesn't have PRE), but damn this deck looks fragile as hell and very dependant on card flow (you have to bleed first via Flurry in order to multiact and/or stay untapped for blocking (Obedience) and Redirect). I'm not sure it is worth it, but it sure looks like a fun deck...Thanks guys very entertaining episode. That IC deck looks fun. Might have to try it out in my Meta
I suppose it is kinda fragile. I don't think it's fragile because card flow, since it is a 65 card deck (and can easily be 60). But 11 caps with limited combat defense and few bounces are risky.
Adam Esbjörnsson,
Prince of Örebro
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27 Sep 2012 10:56 #37863
by Kiddo
Also, this is a rather irresponsible bleed deck. I swapped some odd stealth for 3 Spying Missions, but still, your goal is to bleed hard on lots of stealth.
Another also, this crypt is, well, lacking - my last game I had Mistress, 2 Adanas and Keith - once Mistress ended up beaten (yeah, Obediences do diddly squat if you can't untap), Adana's lack of any kind of DOM became a major problem.
I don't know, I gave this deck three tries, had some ousts but it is very unstable and very luck-dependant. Perhaps I should make a version that is less aggressive but has more consistent untap, either some kind of DOM FOR obf g1-2 Ventrues or some version of Tremeres with Rutors.
Replied by Kiddo on topic Re: Cause and Effect - S04E03
I gave it a try yesterday. Well, its main problem is that, in order to function, you need exactly the right order of cards if you want to survive (you really need Flurry to untap - without untapped vamp you can't defend yourself, and in order to be offensive you need to act (bleed), which has to be via Flurry and which has to not be blocked - and you don't have that much stealth).I suppose it is kinda fragile. I don't think it's fragile because card flow, since it is a 65 card deck (and can easily be 60). But 11 caps with limited combat defense and few bounces are risky.
Also, this is a rather irresponsible bleed deck. I swapped some odd stealth for 3 Spying Missions, but still, your goal is to bleed hard on lots of stealth.
Another also, this crypt is, well, lacking - my last game I had Mistress, 2 Adanas and Keith - once Mistress ended up beaten (yeah, Obediences do diddly squat if you can't untap), Adana's lack of any kind of DOM became a major problem.
I don't know, I gave this deck three tries, had some ousts but it is very unstable and very luck-dependant. Perhaps I should make a version that is less aggressive but has more consistent untap, either some kind of DOM FOR obf g1-2 Ventrues or some version of Tremeres with Rutors.
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