Balancing Ashur Tablets
05 Aug 2014 12:21 #64676
by ReverendRevolver
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I didnt deal much with tablets this year at the NAC to give a picture of how tablets are being playes globally, but the only player in Ohio I recall taking excessively long to decide tablets uptake (who no longer plays) was an infamous net-decker who barely grasp how to play a girls deck (still won with them, because those decks are that stupid-strong) and seriously re-read half his ash heap.
If we base time required upon players who win or dont, we end up with variants of "the Angseesing Clock" where of you take 5 or more seconds longer than Hugh, you are doing it wrong. So, maybe the problem is some players overthinking the game upsets players who are internally screaming "pick up the F@#%@ing DI and shuffle!" When its plainly what to do, but some folks pretend to overthink just to stall, since girls mmpa do nothing but gain pool and not die, and of course gain that 2 hour single vp.
Its not a playstyle issue, as Ive seen, its a lack of preperation. Yes, another player may play a single card and reshape what yoi plan on doing, but tablets should take no longer than backing up and refiguring a turn if you already have any part of a plan.
If we base time required upon players who win or dont, we end up with variants of "the Angseesing Clock" where of you take 5 or more seconds longer than Hugh, you are doing it wrong. So, maybe the problem is some players overthinking the game upsets players who are internally screaming "pick up the F@#%@ing DI and shuffle!" When its plainly what to do, but some folks pretend to overthink just to stall, since girls mmpa do nothing but gain pool and not die, and of course gain that 2 hour single vp.
Its not a playstyle issue, as Ive seen, its a lack of preperation. Yes, another player may play a single card and reshape what yoi plan on doing, but tablets should take no longer than backing up and refiguring a turn if you already have any part of a plan.
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05 Aug 2014 19:37 #64688
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Replied by Jussi on topic Re: Balancing Ashur Tablets
I agree, that playing tablets is a playing style issue, but everything else is that in v:yes as well. It's unfortunate that one person literally delays the game by being ill prepared. On the other hand I don't think girls deck is so strong that one can win with it without studying it... Well, perhaps a stealth & bleed variant.
Regardless, perhaps those who play with this kind of person and know what they are playing need to think their own play style - and just cruelly oust them.
Regardless, perhaps those who play with this kind of person and know what they are playing need to think their own play style - and just cruelly oust them.
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06 Aug 2014 02:53 #64692
by ReverendRevolver
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Ive had a Gisella Harden, the Winnower kindred spirits/trochomancy half built for awhile, incase Girls mmpa get stupid popular again. I also had a Santaleous wall with 4XSantaleous and 3X Asguresh, where I splashed fragmentand trochomancy.
Never got to use it against girls decks though.
Never got to use it against girls decks though.
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06 Aug 2014 08:05 #64698
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At one moment there were so many Ashur decks that i used to run in one or two of them every game. that forced me to build anti-ashur DEM bleed running trochonacies with Sargon's fragment... bleed you cross table with kindred spirits just inferior for 1 is enough. and before bounce i will increase bleed by inferior necromancy version on trochomancy. why i don't want more bleed? because this way i remove 13 cards not only 7...
after few games ashur decks started to oust me cross table if possible...
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Replied by Asnek on topic Re: Balancing Ashur Tablets
Ive had a Gisella Harden, the Winnower kindred spirits/trochomancy half built for awhile, incase Girls mmpa get stupid popular again. I also had a Santaleous wall with 4XSantaleous and 3X Asguresh, where I splashed fragmentand trochomancy.
Never got to use it against girls decks though.
At one moment there were so many Ashur decks that i used to run in one or two of them every game. that forced me to build anti-ashur DEM bleed running trochonacies with Sargon's fragment... bleed you cross table with kindred spirits just inferior for 1 is enough. and before bounce i will increase bleed by inferior necromancy version on trochomancy. why i don't want more bleed? because this way i remove 13 cards not only 7...
after few games ashur decks started to oust me cross table if possible...
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06 Aug 2014 10:11 #64700
by Jussi
Ha! That showed them alright!
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Replied by Jussi on topic Re: Balancing Ashur Tablets
Ive had a Gisella Harden, the Winnower kindred spirits/trochomancy half built for awhile, incase Girls mmpa get stupid popular again. I also had a Santaleous wall with 4XSantaleous and 3X Asguresh, where I splashed fragmentand trochomancy.
Never got to use it against girls decks though.
At one moment there were so many Ashur decks that i used to run in one or two of them every game. that forced me to build anti-ashur DEM bleed running trochonacies with Sargon's fragment... bleed you cross table with kindred spirits just inferior for 1 is enough. and before bounce i will increase bleed by inferior necromancy version on trochomancy. why i don't want more bleed? because this way i remove 13 cards not only 7...
after few games ashur decks started to oust me cross table if possible...
Ha! That showed them alright!
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06 Aug 2014 15:07 #64705
by ReverendRevolver
Its all salt. There is no immidiate strategic advantage to ousting crosstable. Or backwards. Vp is to the left. Everyone has probably convinced a new player to go backwards with some KS bleeds, but bottomline is you are playing a deck that does something other than try to directly win.
So, why do it? The Santaleous deck, like many walls, wins in the "eventually" timeframe. So, stopping masters, gaining pool, shooting up Aksynia are all ways to overcome the fact that by lategame most decks have 10 ish pool but girls have 30 something.
Gisella deck is unfinished because a sabbat toolbox with dem and fortitude isnt as good as tons of other stuff (could look at under siege now i guess). If you cockroaxh because nobody else can kill the girls deck, awesome. He trouble is being a commodity that depends on girls decks or imbued scaring a table means those decks have to be there to run "right"
Still says something that players build decks to kill the poisonous archetype being discussed.
Replied by ReverendRevolver on topic Re: Balancing Ashur Tablets
Ive had a Gisella Harden, the Winnower kindred spirits/trochomancy half built for awhile, incase Girls mmpa get stupid popular again. I also had a Santaleous wall with 4XSantaleous and 3X Asguresh, where I splashed fragmentand trochomancy.
Never got to use it against girls decks though.
At one moment there were so many Ashur decks that i used to run in one or two of them every game. that forced me to build anti-ashur DEM bleed running trochonacies with Sargon's fragment... bleed you cross table with kindred spirits just inferior for 1 is enough. and before bounce i will increase bleed by inferior necromancy version on trochomancy. why i don't want more bleed? because this way i remove 13 cards not only 7...
after few games ashur decks started to oust me cross table if possible...
Ha! That showed them alright!
Its all salt. There is no immidiate strategic advantage to ousting crosstable. Or backwards. Vp is to the left. Everyone has probably convinced a new player to go backwards with some KS bleeds, but bottomline is you are playing a deck that does something other than try to directly win.
So, why do it? The Santaleous deck, like many walls, wins in the "eventually" timeframe. So, stopping masters, gaining pool, shooting up Aksynia are all ways to overcome the fact that by lategame most decks have 10 ish pool but girls have 30 something.
Gisella deck is unfinished because a sabbat toolbox with dem and fortitude isnt as good as tons of other stuff (could look at under siege now i guess). If you cockroaxh because nobody else can kill the girls deck, awesome. He trouble is being a commodity that depends on girls decks or imbued scaring a table means those decks have to be there to run "right"
Still says something that players build decks to kill the poisonous archetype being discussed.
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