Card idea: Dirty Fighting

First of all, !Gangrel have shitty discipline that ARE the weakness of the clan (plus the fact that the discipline spread isn't very coherent within the clan). Unless creating a pool-damaging card in [obf], [cel] or [pro], they will stay a weak clan. And I wouldn't encourage creating such cards.

[cel] and [pro] are used for fighting, [pro] and [obf] are used for stealth. You can't expect !Gangrel to do anything else than stealthing or fighting (poorly besides that). If the fighting module takes 30 cards, what do you want them to do aside?

What I wanted to do was to lighten the combat module of !Gangrel so they had more space to include other strategies.

Concerning whether it should look like a three-way or something else, I think you all miss the point. IMO, the card format is absolutely irrelevant. It's just astuteness/elegance/card balancing.
What is important is the card function. Suggestions that have nothing to do with the card idea are off-topic. (Please create another topic.)

jamesatzephyr wrote:

It gives them a pretty decent combat card. but only in areas they're already doing stuff anyway.

They do, but poorly and it costs them too many cards.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

[pro] Something bland, easy to cycle, but maybe there's a blood cost, or it's not quite as flexible. Say, +1 stealth on actions to enter combat or commit diablerie.
[obf]+[pro] Something combat-y. Maybe a perma-benefit - you can still stack a few an cycle them at [pro], or maybe use them at [OBF]+[PRO] when you don't need this benefit anymore.
[OBF]+[PRO] Something not combat-y.

Could you be more vague? Besides, you're just defining a format, not a function. I can create lots of bad cards using this template.

Pullen wrote:

but its very powerful, and the cost it to easy to get around, as have a path.

It's precisely the point of this card. Being strong and free for !Gangrel.

Drain wrote:

Ankha wrote:

What I wanted to do was to lighten the combat module of !Gangrel so they had more space to include other strategies.

But even that is not really accomplished. Anti-Dodge and First Strike are absolutely marginal combat countermeasures. As long as your combat module has to account for Prevention, Maneuvers and the all-mighty S:CE then it is going to have to be bulky.

Compared to the actual combat module available to !Gangrel, I think it's really better. I may be wrong (and it ties up with your last point), so do you have any suggestion to make it better.

Drain wrote:

Ankha wrote:

Concerning whether it should look like a three-way or something else, I think you all miss the point. IMO, the card format is absolutely irrelevant. It's just astuteness/elegance/card balancing.
What is important is the card function. Suggestions that have nothing to do with the card idea are off-topic. (Please create another topic.)

Presenting alternatives that deviate from the originally posted format can be a bit of nuisance if taken to extremes but I would hardly call it off-topic.

They are off-topic because the thread cannot handle two cards sharing nothing in common. Discussions will become a big mess, some people commenting the original card, others some other card. I wish people create a new thread instead (with a link to the original thread).

Drain wrote:

Ankha wrote:

It's precisely the point of this card. Being strong and free for !Gangrel.

It could still be much stronger, even in its own flawed context of being a combat card. Spirit Claws, with its inherent maneuver is what a real slot-saver looks like to me.

So any suggestion?