Self contested city titles

What happens to the city titles of two of my vampires, when I influence out a second, but different vampire with a title of the same city?

For example: It happened to me in the Draft at GothCon, that I controlled Malabranca (Archbishop of Rome) and influenced out Sela Adv. (Archbishop of Rome).
It was ruled, that both titles are contested, and that in my next untap phase i could choose to yield one title, for to get back the title of the other vampire the following turn.

Was that correct?


Thanks in advance!

Why wouldn't Sela yield her title immediatly when going into play ?

IIRC, title contest work the same way as minion contest ; in other word, if you self contest the most recently brought into play copy is yielded immediatly.

Hakuron wrote:

What happens to the city titles of two of my vampires, when I influence out a second, but different vampire with a title of the same city?

They contest the titles.

During each of the controller's subsequent untap phases, each vampire chooses to contest or yield the titles, as appropriate. You don't have to have one yield and, in fact, both could choose to yield. That might be useful if you wanted to go Anarch, maybe.

If one yields and the other contests, the one who still has the title gets it back in the controller's next untap phase.

[LSJ 20020531]

LSJ wrote:

Two vampires under the same controller can contest a title, however.

A Methuselah could bring out both the Prince of New York and the
Archbishop of New York, for instance. Or one of her vampires could,
as in your example, seize Praxis on one of her other controlled
vampire's prince titles.

On the Methuselahs untap phase, both could yield, both could contest,
or one could yield and the other pay to contest. In the third case,
the one who paid to contest would not gain the benefit of the contested
title until the *following* untap phase. [4.2]

[LSJ 20050331]

LSJ wrote:

Correct.
So, if the referendum passes, Arika becomes Ventrue Justicar and contests
the title with Lucinde.
...
Note that while one yields, the other would have to also yield unless
he or she paid a blood to contest. If one contests and the other
yields, then the one who didn't yield still won't get the title
back until the *next* untap phase (not the current one).

Ohlmann wrote:

IIRC, title contest work the same way as minion contest ; in other word, if you self contest the most recently brought into play copy is yielded immediatly.

You're prohibited from contesting unique cards, not unique titles.

4.1 of the rulebook contains the prohibition on contesting unique cards:

Rulebook, wrote:

Be careful about putting duplicates of the same unique cards in your deck. You can't control more than one of the same unique card at a time, and you cannot contest cards with yourself (if some effect would force you to contest a card with yourself, then you simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card). On the other hand, you may wish to have a second copy handy in case the first is burned.

There is no such mechanism in 4.2, on contesting titles.

Why should you have to wait an extra turn? Can't you order your untap phase as you like?

1) First vampire yields the contest.
2) Second vampire checks that all other contestants have yielded, so he gains the title.

EDIT:

OK, it is in the complete rules reference, which directly contradicts the rulebook on that point. Suggested changes to the rulebook, sections 4.1 and 4.2:

Section wrote:

If all other cards contesting your unique card are yielded, then the card is untapped and turned face up during at the beginning of your next untap phase, ending the contest.

Section wrote:

If all other vampires contesting a title with your vampire have yielded the contest, then your vampire acquires the title during at the beginning of your next untap phase, ending the contest.

That is, if the CRR is the right one, of course.