Heidelberg Timing

prestonp wrote:

Norm doesn't believe you.

Why? Because the between actions phase somehow magically vanishes in the presence of Spirit Marionette? It doesn't vanish between compulsory hunts if all your vampires are empty. It doesn't vanish if one of your vampires becomes empty during another vampire's action, and is then forced to hunt. Why would it vanish here?

prestonp wrote:

Can someone provide a link to an official ruling that you can use Heidelberg after the Spirit Marionette action has resolved.

[LSJ 20020923]

LSJ wrote:

> || - Spirit Marionette : can you use a Master Card in play after the
> || borrowed minion made his action (say, a bleed) but before giving
> || him back ? I'm thinking Heidelberg
...
> You can use a master card between the spirit marionette action and the
> mandatory bleed action. You can tap heidelberg to give all the blood to
> blanche, because she deserves it. You cannot use the heidelberg after the
> mandatory bleed since the vampire goes back to his former controller as soon
> as the action ends.
...
Correct.

Nevermind, I thought Preston was asking something different.

Just to clarify my position on Heidleburg and Spirit Marionette.

"you can use it after the Spirit Marionette but before the mandatory bleed"


"You may not use it after the mandatory bleed as you no longer control that vampire (it is returned to its controller)"

Does anyone have a problem with the above?

XZealot wrote:

Does anyone have a problem with the above?

I do not.

Norm, I used to love seeing your ideas when you posted decks. They were always creative and "outside the box."

I get to use my wacky decks on JOL now

ReverendRevolver wrote:

But Heidleberg isnt useable between actions

I am just going to highlight this bit of your response, as i think this is where your confusion is coming from.Heidelberg is ONLY usable between actions, thus this is the perfectly correct and acceptable way to play it