file New round structure - OPTION A - we'd like your feedback!

15 May 2018 14:08 - 16 May 2018 09:14 #86921 by Ankha
In order to simplify the round structure, we are considering the following:
Round structure:
  1. Start ( = At the start of the round = before range is determined for non-set range effects)
  2. Maneuver step
    2.a Start ( = At the start of the maneuver step = before range is determined for set range effects)
    2.b Maneuver ( = During the maneuver step)
    2.c End
  3. Strike step
    3.a Start ( = At the start of the strike step, = before strikes are chosen)
    3.b Choose strike
    3.c Resolve strike
    3.d End
  4. Press step
    4.a Start
    4.b Press ( = During the press step)
    4.c End
  5. End ( = At the end of the round)

Torn Signpost: Only usable at the start of the round.
Immortal Grapple: Only usable at close range, at the start of the strike step.
Shadow Step: Only usable at the start of the maneuver step. Burn 2 blood to set the range for this round and end the maneuver step.

The idea is to remove self-defined (or implicit) steps such as "Before range is determined". Also the "Determine Range" step would be named "Maneuver step" for consistency.

The goal is not to design a new combat system.

Thoughts?

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Last edit: 16 May 2018 09:14 by Ankha.
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15 May 2018 14:13 #86922 by self biased
Oh, hell yes. "Before range is determined" was vague, shitty, and counterintuitive. I very much like how clear and concise this process is. Now cue the usual howlers griping about how this will only confuse the new people.

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15 May 2018 14:40 - 15 May 2018 14:42 #86923 by TwoRazorReign
This new system seems fine, but I'm really more happy about outline provided by Ankha (easy to follow, makes it clear what gets played when). It would be helpful if this makes its way into the rulebook eventually. Even if keeping how combat currently works, that section of the rulebook needs to be revised.
Last edit: 15 May 2018 14:42 by TwoRazorReign.

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15 May 2018 14:56 #86924 by ReverendRevolver
This would enable a "starter set" to have a graphically defined combat guide.
(A line with each window color coded and shading for the card in question, enabling new players to not need guided through combat)

I'm in favor.

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15 May 2018 15:51 #86926 by kschaefer
That's quite clear, but I think you need to add something between 3 and 4 to cover additional strikes. You have no step currently to gain or use them.

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15 May 2018 17:28 #86929 by brandonsantacruz

Ankha wrote: In order to simplify the round structure, we are considering the following:

Round structure:
  1. Start ( = At the start of the round = before range is determined for non-set range effects)
  2. Maneuver step
    2.a Start ( = At the start of the maneuver step = before range is determined for set range effects)
    2.b Maneuver ( = During the maneuver step)
    2.c End
  3. Strike step
    3.a Start ( = At the start of the strike step, = before strikes are chosen)
    3.b Choose strike
    3.c Resolve strike
    3.d End
  4. Press step
    4.a Start
    4.b Press ( = During the press step)
    4.c End
  5. End ( = At the end of the round)

Torn Signpost: Only usable at the beginning of the round.
Immortal Grapple: Only usable at close range, at the beginning of the strike step.
Shadow Step: Only usable at the beginning of the maneuver step. Burn 2 blood to set the range for this round and end the maneuver step.

The idea is to remove self-defined (or implicit) steps such as "Before range is determined". Also the "Determine Range" step would be named "Maneuver step" for consistency.

The goal is not to design a new combat system.

Thoughts?


If possible I would try to use the exact same wording that appears on the cards for the steps in the rulebook.

For example, if Torn Signpost says "only usable at the beginning of the round," then part 1 should read "Beginning of the round." I don't see a point in using different verbiage if you're trying to avoid unnecessary complication.

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