I'm Tired Of Banishment
27 Mar 2011 15:34 - 27 Mar 2011 19:07 #2879
by Adonai
I'm Tired Of Banishment was created by Adonai
Deck Name : I'm Tired Of Banishment
Author : Adonai
Description :
There has been a lot of unblockable (Toreador Grand Ball) Banishment in my local playgroup recently. This deck will be played in response.
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1. How do you intend to oust?
6-7 minions bleeding for 1/2.
2. How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Bloating thru Travis' action, Church of Vindicated Faith, and Inspire.
3. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
I've seen similar decks with 7-8 Imbued in play.
4. What do you want your average turn to look like?
Travis action, Inspire action, tool up action, bleed.
5. What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Lots of unblockable votes.
6. What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Haven't played it yet, this was built in response to the last few weeks of local play.
Crypt [12 Imbued] Capacity min: 2 max: 5 average: 3.91667
2x Jennie "Cassie247" Orne 5
Visionary
2x Travis "Traveler72" Miller 5
Martyr
2x Inez "Nurse216" Villagrande 3
Innocent
1x Erick "Shophet125" Franco 4
Judge
1x Leaf "Potter116" Pankowski 4
Redeemer
1x Maman Boumba 4
Martyr
1x Xian "DziDzat155" Quan 4
Defender
1x Beatrice "Oracle171" Tremblay 3
Innocent
1x Liz "Ticket312" Thornton 2
Innocent
Library [90 cards]
Action [2]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
1x Arson
Ally [2]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Vagabond Mystic
Combat [12]
6x Glancing Blow
6x Target Vitals
Conviction [21]
7x React with Conviction
7x Second Sight
7x Strike with Conviction
Equipment [8]
1x Crusader Sword, The
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
3x Leather Jacket
1x Sengir Dagger
1x Sport Bike
Event [4]
1x Hunger Moon
1x Restricted Vitae
2x Unmasking, The
Master [17]
5x Angel of Berlin
1x Channel 10
2x Church of Vindicated Faith, The
1x Fortschritt Library
1x Millicent Smith, Puritan Vampire Hunter
1x Rose Foundation, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Specialization
3x Wash
1x Wider View
Power [11]
3x Hide
8x Inspire
Reaction [10]
2x Determine
4x On the Qui Vive
4x Poison Pill
Retainer [3]
1x J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1x Mr. Winthrop
1x Tasha Morgan
Author : Adonai
Description :
There has been a lot of unblockable (Toreador Grand Ball) Banishment in my local playgroup recently. This deck will be played in response.
vtes-hunter-net.tripod.com
1. How do you intend to oust?
6-7 minions bleeding for 1/2.
2. How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Bloating thru Travis' action, Church of Vindicated Faith, and Inspire.
3. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
I've seen similar decks with 7-8 Imbued in play.
4. What do you want your average turn to look like?
Travis action, Inspire action, tool up action, bleed.
5. What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Lots of unblockable votes.
6. What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Haven't played it yet, this was built in response to the last few weeks of local play.
Crypt [12 Imbued] Capacity min: 2 max: 5 average: 3.91667
2x Jennie "Cassie247" Orne 5



2x Travis "Traveler72" Miller 5


2x Inez "Nurse216" Villagrande 3

1x Erick "Shophet125" Franco 4


1x Leaf "Potter116" Pankowski 4



1x Maman Boumba 4


1x Xian "DziDzat155" Quan 4


1x Beatrice "Oracle171" Tremblay 3


1x Liz "Ticket312" Thornton 2


Library [90 cards]
Action [2]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
1x Arson
Ally [2]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Vagabond Mystic
Combat [12]
6x Glancing Blow
6x Target Vitals
Conviction [21]
7x React with Conviction
7x Second Sight
7x Strike with Conviction
Equipment [8]
1x Crusader Sword, The
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
3x Leather Jacket
1x Sengir Dagger
1x Sport Bike
Event [4]
1x Hunger Moon
1x Restricted Vitae
2x Unmasking, The
Master [17]
5x Angel of Berlin
1x Channel 10
2x Church of Vindicated Faith, The
1x Fortschritt Library
1x Millicent Smith, Puritan Vampire Hunter
1x Rose Foundation, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Specialization
3x Wash
1x Wider View
Power [11]
3x Hide
8x Inspire
Reaction [10]
2x Determine
4x On the Qui Vive
4x Poison Pill
Retainer [3]
1x J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1x Mr. Winthrop
1x Tasha Morgan
Last edit: 27 Mar 2011 19:07 by Adonai.
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27 Mar 2011 16:17 #2881
by Dervish
More evidence that your deck need not be good in order to win:
thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2011tottco





Replied by Dervish on topic Re: I'm Tired Of Banishment
I am curious about your perception of poison pill? I have put it into many decks and nearly every time I get it, I wish it were a delaying tactics, which of course lets them just call it next turn, but if you also include DI2, then you can really jam them up by DT then next turn DI2, just a thought.
I think you have room for more masters, how about KRCG? Also I think you can drop the inspires to 6, depending on how it flows, but it looks like it will flow well. Also Laptops might help you bleed a little more, idk.
Just in case you didn't consider these events:
Blood Cultist Awareness Network
Veil of Darkness,
Dr Marissa CDC ( I like it with Restricted vitae because it builds up a few)
The Rising
Rise of the Nephtali (it is a real wild card, but could help you and a cross table balance things a bit)
I have NOT played the imbued, but watched them played a lot, so please take it all with a grain of salt.
Best
David
I think you have room for more masters, how about KRCG? Also I think you can drop the inspires to 6, depending on how it flows, but it looks like it will flow well. Also Laptops might help you bleed a little more, idk.
Just in case you didn't consider these events:
Blood Cultist Awareness Network
Veil of Darkness,
Dr Marissa CDC ( I like it with Restricted vitae because it builds up a few)
The Rising
Rise of the Nephtali (it is a real wild card, but could help you and a cross table balance things a bit)
I have NOT played the imbued, but watched them played a lot, so please take it all with a grain of salt.
Best
David
More evidence that your deck need not be good in order to win:
thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2011tottco






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27 Mar 2011 16:32 - 27 Mar 2011 16:34 #2882
by Adonai
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: I'm Tired Of Banishment
Allies can't play Delaying Tactics.
Poison Pill has been extremely useful in preventing Ancient Influence and Anarchist Uprisings from passing. I have enough other out-of-turn masters that I wouldn't add Direct Intervention or Dark Influences.
Laptops cost pool, and most of the pool gain in the deck is required to bring out more Imbued. There are certainly a lot of Imbued decks that I've played that use Laptops, but they all also include Vigilance so that I can get two uses out of it per turn, or get it and use it in the same turn. This crypt isn't particularly Vigilance friendly, so Laptops are out.
I did consider other events, and I'm not thrilled with most of them. The Rising will likely make the final cut, as killing untap phase/master phase pool gain [Villein/Vessel/Blood Doll/Minion Tap/Tribute to the Master] is a huge benefit.
Poison Pill has been extremely useful in preventing Ancient Influence and Anarchist Uprisings from passing. I have enough other out-of-turn masters that I wouldn't add Direct Intervention or Dark Influences.
Laptops cost pool, and most of the pool gain in the deck is required to bring out more Imbued. There are certainly a lot of Imbued decks that I've played that use Laptops, but they all also include Vigilance so that I can get two uses out of it per turn, or get it and use it in the same turn. This crypt isn't particularly Vigilance friendly, so Laptops are out.
I did consider other events, and I'm not thrilled with most of them. The Rising will likely make the final cut, as killing untap phase/master phase pool gain [Villein/Vessel/Blood Doll/Minion Tap/Tribute to the Master] is a huge benefit.
Last edit: 27 Mar 2011 16:34 by Adonai.
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27 Mar 2011 16:57 #2883
by johannes
Replied by johannes on topic Re: I'm Tired Of Banishment
The natural things to discourage TGB Banishment would be for me:
- Play big caps yourself, especially 10-11 caps. They are difficult to Banish due to cap-requirement and usually they have also votes to counter their votes.
- Play a weenie deck, where Banishment is nearly useless for them (as long as Banishment makes you lose 1-2 pool, KRC would be much better for them, and high-cap Torries doing KRC is not effective to start with).
- Play rush where you take out Banishers proactively or threaten to.
- Play Orun (ok a bit wild, but I am still looking for a viable deck, in theory it should be good).
Playing the Imbued, I don´t know. I think they are quite vulnerable to the TGB due to not being able to block. If I were to play the Imbued I would up the number of React with Conviction since you want them to cancel Majesty AND to be able to cancel steal ally.
- Play big caps yourself, especially 10-11 caps. They are difficult to Banish due to cap-requirement and usually they have also votes to counter their votes.
- Play a weenie deck, where Banishment is nearly useless for them (as long as Banishment makes you lose 1-2 pool, KRC would be much better for them, and high-cap Torries doing KRC is not effective to start with).
- Play rush where you take out Banishers proactively or threaten to.
- Play Orun (ok a bit wild, but I am still looking for a viable deck, in theory it should be good).
Playing the Imbued, I don´t know. I think they are quite vulnerable to the TGB due to not being able to block. If I were to play the Imbued I would up the number of React with Conviction since you want them to cancel Majesty AND to be able to cancel steal ally.
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27 Mar 2011 18:53 #2886
by Juggernaut1981




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Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: I'm Tired Of Banishment
I'd be playing either:
!Ventrue "You get to vote when I say you have votes" Type deck. Packed to the eyeballs with things like Quentin, Kindred Coercion, Telepathic Vote Counting, Loyalist, Irregular Protocol... We had a very vote heavy environment at one stage, and by basically building a massively "anti-vote" defence package onto good old Dominate Nastiness I had something that would do bad things to most of the voters. It was also an environment with plenty of push-voting rather than static voting (hence the Irregular Protocols).
Laibon + Orun. Nothing like taking an action to try banish a 7-cap to find out it counts as a 17-cap. Funniest moment was my predator calling Reins of Power and then realising it would oust my prey because of 6 Oruns on an 8-cap. I was going to lose at most 3 pool from the Reins. Seemed like a good deal to me...
!Ventrue "You get to vote when I say you have votes" Type deck. Packed to the eyeballs with things like Quentin, Kindred Coercion, Telepathic Vote Counting, Loyalist, Irregular Protocol... We had a very vote heavy environment at one stage, and by basically building a massively "anti-vote" defence package onto good old Dominate Nastiness I had something that would do bad things to most of the voters. It was also an environment with plenty of push-voting rather than static voting (hence the Irregular Protocols).
Laibon + Orun. Nothing like taking an action to try banish a 7-cap to find out it counts as a 17-cap. Funniest moment was my predator calling Reins of Power and then realising it would oust my prey because of 6 Oruns on an 8-cap. I was going to lose at most 3 pool from the Reins. Seemed like a good deal to me...





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28 Mar 2011 00:56 #2898
by Dervish
More evidence that your deck need not be good in order to win:
thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2011tottco





Replied by Dervish on topic Re: I'm Tired Of Banishment
I'd like to advocate again for Veil of Darkness, it is spiffy keen.
More evidence that your deck need not be good in order to win:
thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2011tottco






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