file Needing a bit of help to improve this shambling deck.

19 Dec 2014 15:48 #68257 by Wand
Its a classical build: liquidation + sudario to flush a unmasking and shamblers fast and to make some pool of it. I guess I need some room to pentex, aranthebes, Direct intervention and more deflections

Deck Name: Wand's Brothers
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Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 11, Max: 25, Avg: 4,76)
3 Dr. Oliver Genet NEC DOM pot 6 Giovanni
2 Salvatore Giovanni POT NEC dom 5 Giovanni
1 Domenic Giovanni POT nec 4 Giovanni
1 Martino della Passaglia POT NEC DOM obf7 Giovanni
1 Kay Polerno dom nec pro 4 Giovanni
1 Stephen Milliner nec pre 3 Giovanni
1 Bez Dunsirn POT 2 Giovanni
1 Eric Milliner pot 2 Giovanni
2 Lupo Giovanni NEC dom pre pot6 Giovanni

Library: (90 cards)
Master (22 cards)
1 Information Highway
1 Tower of London
2 Path of Bone, The
3 Liquidation
1 Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper
2 Vessel
2 Fame
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Acquired Ventrue Assets
1 Creepshow Casino
1 Dis Pater
2 Tribute to the Master
1 Charisma
2 Blood Doll
1 Mob Connections

Action (11 cards)
1 Gramle
3 Sudario Refraction
1 Chair of Hades
1 Divine Sign
2 Graverobbing
1 Dominate Kine
2 Scouting Mission

Action Modifier (5 cards)
5 Call of the Hungry Dead

Reaction (13 cards)
4 Funeral Wake
4 On the Qui Vive
5 Deflection

Combat (6 cards)
2 Trap
4 Spiritual Intervention

Ally (23 cards)
15 Shambling Hordes
1 Gregory Winter
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Ossian
1 Gianna di Canneto
1 Giulia Giovanni Abruzzina
1 Felix `Fix` Hessian (Wraith)
1 Puppeteer (Wraith)
1 Tye Cooper

Equipment (2 cards)
1 Sargon Fragment, The
1 Unlicensed Taxicab

Event (3 cards)
1 FBI Special Affairs Division
2 Unmasking, The

Combo (5 cards)
5 Spectral Divination

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19 Dec 2014 17:17 - 19 Dec 2014 17:30 #68258 by jamesatzephyr

Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 11, Max: 25, Avg: 4,76)
3 Dr. Oliver Genet NEC DOM pot 6 Giovanni
2 Salvatore Giovanni POT NEC dom 5 Giovanni
1 Domenic Giovanni POT nec 4 Giovanni
1 Martino della Passaglia POT NEC DOM obf7 Giovanni
1 Kay Polerno dom nec pro 4 Giovanni
1 Stephen Milliner nec pre 3 Giovanni
1 Bez Dunsirn POT 2 Giovanni
1 Eric Milliner pot 2 Giovanni
2 Lupo Giovanni NEC dom pre pot6 Giovanni


If you're looking at more Deflections - which isn't a bad idea - it feels a little light on DOM/dom, with 5 vampires missing it. The weenies with Pot aren't doing much for you, other than being Giovanni. Neither Accorri or Gianmaria are awesome replacements for them, but might be better. I might, however, pitch Bez for Anu Diptinatpa , because that bleed special is quite useful - but losing a Giovanni is annoying for Acquired Ventrue Assets, Lupo, Dispater etc. Still, maybe worth thinking about.

Depending on what your crypt looks like afterwards, consider Murmur of the False Will as an option instead of more Deflections.

Master (22 cards)
1 Information Highway
1 Tower of London
2 Path of Bone, The
3 Liquidation
1 Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper
2 Vessel
2 Fame
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Acquired Ventrue Assets
1 Creepshow Casino
1 Dis Pater
2 Tribute to the Master
1 Charisma
2 Blood Doll
1 Mob Connections


That feels like a lot of master cards.

I'd look at dropping:
- Creepshow Casino
- Tower of London (you need 4 turns before it works out better for you than Ascendance)
- Mob Connections, though it's potentially fun with the Shamblers, I guess
which would take you down to 19/20.

Ordinarily, my knee-jerk reaction to Wall Street Night is either Rumor Mill or KRCG. You already have KRCG and Rumor Mill isn't hot in an ally deck, but I'm not super-enthusiastic about WSN, and WMRH has that horrible burn a pool downside. So it's probably okay to leave, but it makes my skin crawl a bit.

I'd consider swapping Tribute to the Master for something else. In a deck like this which has blood management issues, the indiscriminate nature of Tribute is likely to cause you headaches you don't want - Oh, I'm fine to take a blood off A and B, but C is only on 1 blood, and... Perhaps drop both of them, and add another Blood Doll or Vessel, or add a Villein?

I'd try to make room for Giant's Blood or Morgue Hunting Ground.


Action (11 cards)
1 Gramle
3 Sudario Refraction
1 Chair of Hades
1 Divine Sign
2 Graverobbing
1 Dominate Kine
2 Scouting Mission


I'd probably drop Divine Sign. You don't really want your vampires to be in combat with people who can handle combat. Against most sorts of bleed, you should probably bounce it. Vote/stealth-vote is the main thing it would annoy, I guess.

Graverobbing is awesome, but watch out for the blood issues.

Is Chair of Hades worth it for you, in your environment? I'd think hard about it, anyway.

How likely are you to use Scouting Mission at superior? It's not a bad option to have, it's just a lot of the time yuo might be there thinking you'd rather take a different action with Oliver or Martino. If that's the case - which depends partly on your playstyle - consider swapping them for Threats (so you can play Threats after blocks are declined), or as briefly suggested earlier, Murmur, for the same reason.

Ally (23 cards)
15 Shambling Hordes
1 Gregory Winter
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Ossian
1 Gianna di Canneto
1 Giulia Giovanni Abruzzina
1 Felix `Fix` Hessian (Wraith)
1 Puppeteer (Wraith)
1 Tye Cooper


I'd lose Giulia. I don't really think your vampires care too much about range - a gun deck is still going to kill you at close range. I'd think about losing Gregory - his action to munch a vampire is theoretically nice, but he can't easily get stealth on it, making it harder to exploit. Puppeteer is interesting, but also lacks good stealth options, so I'd consider pitching that too, saving you 2 or 3 cards, maybe.

15 Shamblers is a perfectly decent number to have, but if you're looking to claw back cards, 14 isn't much different.

Equipment (2 cards)
1 Sargon Fragment, The
1 Unlicensed Taxicab


Not a huge fan of the Taxicab. When you're able to get it out, you probably don't need it. When you can't get it out (e.g. sitting next to a wall deck), you probably don't want it in your hand. If you have an environment where it's common to see small spikes of intercept (e.g. the Prince deck playing Second Tradition every now and then), but without many Auspex grinders or wall decks, it's probably reasonable, though - although in that situation, I might keep the Creepshow Casino instead and drop the Taxicab.
Last edit: 19 Dec 2014 17:30 by jamesatzephyr.
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19 Dec 2014 17:24 #68259 by Wand
James, thanks for the big input.

there's still a lot of masters but I put more trifles to avoid hand jam. Dropped a lot of cards you said and put new ones to make it more competitive.

Deck Name: Wand's Brothers
Created By:
Description:

Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 11, Max: 25, Avg: 4,76)
1 Bez Dunsirn POT 2 Giovanni
1 Domenic Giovanni POT nec 4 Giovanni
3 Dr. Oliver Genet NEC DOM pot 6 Giovanni
1 Eric Milliner pot 2 Giovanni
1 Kay Polerno dom nec pro 4 Giovanni
2 Lupo Giovanni NEC dom pre pot6 Giovanni
1 Martino della Passaglia POT NEC DOM obf7 Giovanni
2 Salvatore Giovanni POT NEC dom 5 Giovanni
1 Stephen Milliner nec pre 3 Giovanni

Library: (90 cards)
Master (21 cards)
2 Path of Bone, The
1 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Creepshow Casino
1 Direct Intervention
1 Charisma
1 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Acquired Ventrue Assets
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Tower of London
3 Liquidation
2 Fame
5 Vessel
1 Wall Street Night, Financial Newspaper

Action (7 cards)
1 Dominate Kine
1 Gramle
2 Graverobbing
3 Sudario Refraction

Action Modifier (10 cards)
6 Call of the Hungry Dead
4 Conditioning

Reaction (19 cards)
5 On the Qui Vive
8 Deflection
4 Funeral Wake
2 Delaying Tactics

Combat (4 cards)
4 Spiritual Intervention

Ally (21 cards)
1 Gianna di Canneto
1 Gregory Winter
1 Ossian
1 Puppeteer (Wraith)
14 Shambling Hordes
1 Giulia Giovanni Abruzzina
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Tye Cooper

Equipment (1 cards)
1 Sargon Fragment, The

Event (3 cards)
1 FBI Special Affairs Division
2 Unmasking, The

Combo (4 cards)
4 Spectral Divination

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19 Dec 2014 17:27 #68260 by Wand
anu has a good special, but I'd rather put a second copy of martino and paolo sardenzo instead.

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20 Dec 2014 01:08 #68261 by delangen
I always put a couple compel the spirits and double up on Gianni, one thing that will mow through your zombie's is any gun deck.. and Gianni is great to take 'em out... maybe even an anarch troublemaker? I agree giullia is nothing special ...way too many deflections, for my meta anyways... and double up on charisma... ventrue assets isn't gonna help you much and I'm not a fan of liquidation but in this case you can sudario what you need back, but I see the 5 vessel's costing too much in pool... I'd swap 2 for blood dolls ... and lastly I just noticed the puppeteer wraith is not so hot in my opinion I only use it with shroud mastery.

Forgot expect to have a bunch of allies stolen so there is the necro card that burns allies or throw in a far mastery if you end up have the SUP DOM in your final crypt

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21 Dec 2014 13:41 #68268 by ReverendRevolver
Its at least worth testing.

Looks like it could be pruned more in the master department, and dedicated walls *might* be a problem if they arent worried about whoever is sitting on the other side of them and can routinely keep blocking you (which isnt allwalls, and call makes magagi nervous).

Id test it to see how it does on blood efficiency. If you find youre ok early and dry as hell later, mqybe procurers, butit is hard to say now.

Anu is good, but also gets mighty thirsty after that first vp she gets you.

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