Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
05 Feb 2015 14:17 - 05 Feb 2015 16:05 #69093
by 2wayspeaker
Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing) was created by 2wayspeaker
How do you intend to oust?
I sacrifice a lot for speed.
I intend to oust by getting out a lot of vampires to do normal bleeds.
I will get more minions to bleed with by stealing them (graverobbing/far mastery)
How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Profit from high caps with freak drive Mary Ann.
Defend politics by getting an insane amount of votes ((1+2+3+5)*2=22) really early,
Defend combat by torporing and stealing minions.
What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
The whole crypt. Mary Anne first, Gustav and Orlando early game for votelock, Epikasta Dmitra and Gabrielle mid to late game.
What do you want your average turn to look like?
Equipping Mary Ann with something fearsome (AK,Flamethrower) so people are less likely to block.
Early: Villein -> Zillah, Mary Ann Ability -> Freak Drive -> Govern, Bring out new high cap.
Vampires that are in my crypt are stolen first so I won't even need to contest.
Mid game: Rushing, bleeding and stealing. Negotiating other refendums in my benefit.
Late game: Recovering health with Dmitra and Gabrielle. Recovering actions with Epikasta.
What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Tournament, I would like to play this at a tournament.
What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Concept
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.42; 12 cards)
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1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
1x Gabrielle di Righetti 10 obf pot ANI AUS DOM THA Tremere:5
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
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Master (19 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x Fourth Cycle, The
Action (13 cards)
3x Far Mastery
6x Govern the Unaligned
3x Graverobbing
Political Action (8 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (4 cards)
1x AK-47
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (8 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
Edit 1 : Added Govern because I cannot multiact a minion text.
Edit 2 : Extra question.
I feel like I should play things like
Sabbat Threat - damage the table
First Tradition - damage the table
Ancilla Empowerment - damage the table
Elder Kindred Network - damage a voting deck by lying to vote in favour.
I sacrifice a lot for speed.
I intend to oust by getting out a lot of vampires to do normal bleeds.
I will get more minions to bleed with by stealing them (graverobbing/far mastery)
How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Profit from high caps with freak drive Mary Ann.
Defend politics by getting an insane amount of votes ((1+2+3+5)*2=22) really early,
Defend combat by torporing and stealing minions.
What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
The whole crypt. Mary Anne first, Gustav and Orlando early game for votelock, Epikasta Dmitra and Gabrielle mid to late game.
What do you want your average turn to look like?
Equipping Mary Ann with something fearsome (AK,Flamethrower) so people are less likely to block.
Early: Villein -> Zillah, Mary Ann Ability -> Freak Drive -> Govern, Bring out new high cap.
Vampires that are in my crypt are stolen first so I won't even need to contest.
Mid game: Rushing, bleeding and stealing. Negotiating other refendums in my benefit.
Late game: Recovering health with Dmitra and Gabrielle. Recovering actions with Epikasta.
What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Tournament, I would like to play this at a tournament.
What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Concept
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.42; 12 cards)
===================================================
1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
1x Gabrielle di Righetti 10 obf pot ANI AUS DOM THA Tremere:5
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
=====================
Master (19 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x Fourth Cycle, The
Action (13 cards)
3x Far Mastery
6x Govern the Unaligned
3x Graverobbing
Political Action (8 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (4 cards)
1x AK-47
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (8 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
Edit 1 : Added Govern because I cannot multiact a minion text.
Edit 2 : Extra question.
I feel like I should play things like
Sabbat Threat - damage the table
First Tradition - damage the table
Ancilla Empowerment - damage the table
Elder Kindred Network - damage a voting deck by lying to vote in favour.
Last edit: 05 Feb 2015 16:05 by 2wayspeaker.
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06 Feb 2015 14:32 #69105
by alek
Replied by alek on topic Re: Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
Don't play Sabbat Threat, it's not good. Better to put more parity shifts, ancilla or kine resources contested.
Elder Kindred network is even worse, usually you wouldn't have a chance to play this card and it will sit in your hand. Just anything will be better.
What do you need 3 x Far Mastery for? Is your meta game so full of allies? In a 60 card deck I would keep max. 1 copy. Additionally, most of your vampires have Presence, so entrancement would be better as you can use it to bleed in case there are no allies around to steal. In this case playing more than one copy is not a problem.
Elder Kindred network is even worse, usually you wouldn't have a chance to play this card and it will sit in your hand. Just anything will be better.
What do you need 3 x Far Mastery for? Is your meta game so full of allies? In a 60 card deck I would keep max. 1 copy. Additionally, most of your vampires have Presence, so entrancement would be better as you can use it to bleed in case there are no allies around to steal. In this case playing more than one copy is not a problem.
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09 Feb 2015 13:11 #69152
by blackday
Replied by blackday on topic Re: Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
9 out of your 12 vamps have superior presence. Dump all your far mastery for entrancement, at least you can use them for bleed.
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13 Feb 2015 22:56 #69225
by 2wayspeaker
Replied by 2wayspeaker on topic Re: Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
Thanks for the feedback, I played with the decklist below in a 5 player game.
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.42; 12 cards)
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1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
1x Gabrielle di Righetti 10 obf pot ANI AUS DOM THA Tremere:5
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
=====================
Master (19 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x Fourth Cycle, The
Action (11 cards)
2x Entrancement
6x Govern the Unaligned
3x Graverobbing
Political Action (9 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (4 cards)
1x Assault Rifle
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (9 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
1x Voter Captivation
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
Game summary
My prey was a PRO/FOR combat anarch vote hybrid, slow but dangerous to get into combat with. My prey also didnt move forwards (valkyries) and always had 2 or 3 untapped minions.
My predator was a mid cap Praxis seizure vote deck, also slow for a table stacked with 4/5 vote decks so he resorted to bleeding with modifiers.
Mary Anne Blair got pentexed on turn 3 after the table was able to prevent the first Alastor. Table was not a fan of possibly getting rushed with a flamethrower. I brought out Epikasta and Orlando. But Epikasta's title got contested, leaving me 3 vampires unable to play second tradition.
I was unable to remove the pentex by myself, so I received a crosstable Giant's Blood and pentex removal in exchanche for parity shifting on my crosstable's behalf.
Analysis
I was unable to oust with bleeds because of torpor threat.
Graverobbing was useless.
Fourth Cycle was useless.
I was annoyed by people using combat ends effects against my Assault rifle.
But I also didn't die, and at 2h40min I had 3 high caps, votelock and 11 pool with 20 cards left in deck.
Card flow was smooth and I was able to succesfully dissuade my predator once I got my titles back.
I also made a lot of bad plays in hindsight.
I had insufficient stealth to bleed & remove pentex.
Proposed card changes
- 1 Gabrielle di Righetti
+ 1 Lodin (Olaf Holte)
- 3 graverobbing
- 1 Heart of Nizchetus
- 1 Fourth Cycle, The
+ 1 NSA trio
+ 1 Voter Captivation
+ 1 misdirection (one less blocker)
+ 2 Kine Resources Contested
New decklist
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.25; 12 cards)
===================================================
1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 aus pro DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
=====================
Master (20 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
1x Misdirection
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x NSA Trio
Action (8 cards)
2x Entrancement
6x Govern the Unaligned
Political Action (11 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
2x Kine Resources Contested
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (3 cards)
1x Assault Rifle
1x Flamethrower
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (10 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
2x Voter Captivation
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
What could I do for an easy permanent +1 or +2 stealth? I would prefer something very card efficient, like 2 copies tops.
Is it possible to cycle actions from your own graveyard back into my hand or deck? I could'v played Erciyes Fragments with great succes this game, but it isn't a shure thing.
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.42; 12 cards)
===================================================
1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
1x Gabrielle di Righetti 10 obf pot ANI AUS DOM THA Tremere:5
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
=====================
Master (19 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x Fourth Cycle, The
Action (11 cards)
2x Entrancement
6x Govern the Unaligned
3x Graverobbing
Political Action (9 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (4 cards)
1x Assault Rifle
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (9 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
1x Voter Captivation
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
Game summary
My prey was a PRO/FOR combat anarch vote hybrid, slow but dangerous to get into combat with. My prey also didnt move forwards (valkyries) and always had 2 or 3 untapped minions.
My predator was a mid cap Praxis seizure vote deck, also slow for a table stacked with 4/5 vote decks so he resorted to bleeding with modifiers.
Mary Anne Blair got pentexed on turn 3 after the table was able to prevent the first Alastor. Table was not a fan of possibly getting rushed with a flamethrower. I brought out Epikasta and Orlando. But Epikasta's title got contested, leaving me 3 vampires unable to play second tradition.
I was unable to remove the pentex by myself, so I received a crosstable Giant's Blood and pentex removal in exchanche for parity shifting on my crosstable's behalf.
Analysis
I was unable to oust with bleeds because of torpor threat.
Graverobbing was useless.
Fourth Cycle was useless.
I was annoyed by people using combat ends effects against my Assault rifle.
But I also didn't die, and at 2h40min I had 3 high caps, votelock and 11 pool with 20 cards left in deck.
Card flow was smooth and I was able to succesfully dissuade my predator once I got my titles back.
I also made a lot of bad plays in hindsight.
I had insufficient stealth to bleed & remove pentex.
Proposed card changes
- 1 Gabrielle di Righetti
+ 1 Lodin (Olaf Holte)
- 3 graverobbing
- 1 Heart of Nizchetus
- 1 Fourth Cycle, The
+ 1 NSA trio
+ 1 Voter Captivation
+ 1 misdirection (one less blocker)
+ 2 Kine Resources Contested
New decklist
Crypt (Capacity min=8 max=10 avg=9.25; 12 cards)
===================================================
1x Dmitra Ilyanova 9 obf CEL FOR POT PRE Brujah:5
2x Epikasta Rigatos 8 cel AUS DOM PRE Toreador:4
2x Gustav Breidenstein 10 aus cel pot DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:4
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 aus pro DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 ani pot AUS DOM FOR PRE Ventrue:5
2x Orlando Oriundus 9 obf AUS DOM THA !Tremere:4
Library (60 cards)
=====================
Master (20 cards)
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Information Highway
1x Misdirection
6x Villein
1x Wider View
7x Zillah's Valley
Event (1 cards)
1x NSA Trio
Action (8 cards)
2x Entrancement
6x Govern the Unaligned
Political Action (11 cards)
4x Alastor
1x Disputed Territory
2x Kine Resources Contested
4x Parity Shift
Equipment (3 cards)
1x Assault Rifle
1x Flamethrower
1x Helicopter
Action Modifier (10 cards)
1x Enkil Cog
7x Freak Drive
2x Voter Captivation
Reaction (7 cards)
7x Second Tradition: Domain
What could I do for an easy permanent +1 or +2 stealth? I would prefer something very card efficient, like 2 copies tops.
Is it possible to cycle actions from your own graveyard back into my hand or deck? I could'v played Erciyes Fragments with great succes this game, but it isn't a shure thing.
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13 Feb 2015 23:09 #69226
by 2wayspeaker
In the game I played, described above, I couldv slammed a lot of people (prey, predator, crosstable) for over 10 pool with this card when they wanted to cycle their vote cards. But I agree, like Erciyes Fragments, it wouldn't always be able to pull it's weight.
Replied by 2wayspeaker on topic Re: Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
Elder Kindred network is even worse, usually you wouldn't have a chance to play this card and it will sit in your hand. Just anything will be better.
In the game I played, described above, I couldv slammed a lot of people (prey, predator, crosstable) for over 10 pool with this card when they wanted to cycle their vote cards. But I agree, like Erciyes Fragments, it wouldn't always be able to pull it's weight.
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14 Feb 2015 10:32 #69229
by alek
And where is pentex!? It's a MUST in a deck like this
Replied by alek on topic Re: Wreckless (High cap/Alastor/graverobbing)
creepshow casino and some perfect paragons - they work as a vote push too.What could I do for an easy permanent +1 or +2 stealth?
And where is pentex!? It's a MUST in a deck like this
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