a thought on titles

why is it that we don't have independent titles? instead we have in the text box of independent vampires "Jerkface has two votes (titled)." it seems like a super roundabout way of coming to a conclusion. why not just come up with 'independent' titles?

Lord- one vote
Autarch- two votes
Czar- three votes

or something similar?

Independant are too varied for a single set of title I believe. For example, a FoS czar feel strange.

self wrote:

why not just come up with 'independent' titles?

Because these aren't independent titles.

Prince is a Camarilla title. Priscus is a Sabbat title. Ventrue Justicar is a Camarilla title and a Ventrue title. If you become Sabbat while a Prince, your Prince title goes inert(*). If you become Toreador while you are Ventrue Justicar, your Ventrue Justicar title goes inert.

The titles printed on Independent vampires are not tied to clan or sect. They are simply a property of that vampire. If Jamal (Assamites, 2 votes) becomes Camarilla, he still has a 2 vote title; it does not go inert. If Nehsi (Setite, 2 votes) becomes Sasbbat, the title does not go inert.




(*) Inert = will come back if you change back, but isn't there for other purposes except basically: 1) if someone else gains your inert title, you immediately yield without contesting and 2) if you gain a new title, your inert one is completely gone.

Note that, in WoD, prince was used as a title way before camarilla. In theory, a very old tzimisce that wake up could use the title prince (his old title from before the camarilla and sabbat), and would still be disavowed by both camarilla and sabbat.

Most independants clans weren't exactly keen on using "prince" as a title even before the rise of the sects. Candidates would mostly be very old tzimisces, who generally tend to die as soon as they leave torpor due to both tremere and tzimisce wanting them deader than dead.