How I would relaunch V:TES (card reprint) - Part 3 - Fortitude
02 Mar 2016 16:37 - 05 Mar 2016 13:09 #75659
by Ankha
Fortitude
Ok, now that is some really difficult discipline. What does it do currently?
- passive combat (prevent)
- gain blood
- make actions unblockage + blocking minions take aggravated damage
- allows multi action
There's a hell lot of prevent cards, so choosing which of them stay is complicated. Also, should we allow multi-actions in chain?
Cards such as Skin of Rock are dropped because Skin of Rock is seldom played for good reason: usually in combat, either you get punched for 1, or you get punched for a lot more than 2. Usually, a Rolling with the Punches, a Soak or an Armor of Vitality would be better choices.
I kept the maneuver / press prevent cards because they are usually used for active combat (maneuvering to whatever range to use a strike card, pressing to hit again with a stick etc.)
The gain blood card Restoration was dropped because it's very weak compared to disciplineless cards such as Entrenching, Sheepdog, or Abactor. It would probably deserve a better card (such as gaining 3 blood at inferior and 4 blood at superior, or being put on the vampire for further use such as preventing damage).
Kept as is
Modified
Not kept
Ok, now that is some really difficult discipline. What does it do currently?
- passive combat (prevent)
- gain blood
- make actions unblockage + blocking minions take aggravated damage
- allows multi action
There's a hell lot of prevent cards, so choosing which of them stay is complicated. Also, should we allow multi-actions in chain?
Cards such as Skin of Rock are dropped because Skin of Rock is seldom played for good reason: usually in combat, either you get punched for 1, or you get punched for a lot more than 2. Usually, a Rolling with the Punches, a Soak or an Armor of Vitality would be better choices.
I kept the maneuver / press prevent cards because they are usually used for active combat (maneuvering to whatever range to use a strike card, pressing to hit again with a stick etc.)
The gain blood card Restoration was dropped because it's very weak compared to disciplineless cards such as Entrenching, Sheepdog, or Abactor. It would probably deserve a better card (such as gaining 3 blood at inferior and 4 blood at superior, or being put on the vampire for further use such as preventing damage).
Kept as is
- Daring the Dawn: staple delivery card against wall decks
- Dawn Operation: interesting card for bruise and bleed decks
- Indomitability: interesting combat card
- Kiss of Ra, The: a great card you can bluff with, and that is interesting against wall decks
- Rapid Healing: not a splendid card, but fills a niche
- Rolling with the Punches: staple prevent card
- Skin of Night: interesting niche card
- Skin of Steel: staple prevent card for vampires with inferior fortitude
- Soak: staple prevent card, a bit risky vs aggravated damage
- Unflinching Persistence: staple prevent card
Modified
- Armor of Vitality: gives a reasonable prevent to vampires with inferior Fortitude against Aid from Bats + Carrion Crows for instance. Superior is really corner case and should be modified.
- Freak Drive: this is a hard one. Probably I'd fix it by increasing its cost by 1 each time the same minion uses it in the same turn. That would probably kill Una Freak Show, but watching someone play alone for 30 minutes is not compatible with a 5-player game
Not kept
- Ablative Skin: not worth an action
- Bestow Vigor: wallpaper
- Day Operation: weak card compared to Daring the Dawn, and redundant
- Force of Will: weak card, even if it works a little in some decks built especially around it
- Forced Vigilance: the blood cost is deterent
- Hard Case: weak card
- Hidden Strength: interesting card, but redundant with other prevent cards
- Jua Vema: redundant with Skin of Night, plus I don't want to keep Fortitude Laibon-specific cards right now
- King of the Mountain: too weak
- Masochism: not worth the action
- Regeneration: useless card
- Repair the Undead Flesh: useless, weak card
- Resilience: weak card
- Resilient Mind: weak card
- Restoration: weak card
- Shared Strength: crappy card
- Skin of Rock: weak card
- Steadfastness: weak card
- Superior Mettle: redundant with Skin of Steel of Rolling with the Punches (and weaker)
- Undead Persistence: bad card
- Undying Tenacity: bad card too
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02 Mar 2016 20:33 #75673
by GreyB
Errata: This minion can only play 1 Freak Drive this turn. (and perhaps remove blood cost)
I would do the same for each freak drive like card so you have to mix cards to have more than 1 extra action each turn. Killing mass multi acting vamp decks isn't a bad thing for the game...
-1 Strength
Replied by GreyB on topic How I would relaunch V:TES (card reprint) - Part 3 - Fortitude
Freak Drive: this is a hard one. Probably I'd fix it by increasing its cost by 1 each time the same minion uses it in the same turn. That would probably kill Una Freak Show, but watching someone play alone for 30 minutes is not compatible with a 5-player game
Errata: This minion can only play 1 Freak Drive this turn. (and perhaps remove blood cost)
I would do the same for each freak drive like card so you have to mix cards to have more than 1 extra action each turn. Killing mass multi acting vamp decks isn't a bad thing for the game...
-1 Strength
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02 Mar 2016 22:08 #75677
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic How I would relaunch V:TES (card reprint) - Part 3 - Fortitude
I'm really not a big fan of the "Reflex" terminology. I never really understood why it was added in the first place, instead of a simple reaction.Wakes are important. I like the suggestion in another thread to rebrand them to reflex cards. Vtes needs wakes to stimulate interaction.
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