The Secret Must Be Kept - Rules Clarification
16 Oct 2013 23:21 #55396
by erewego
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Funny situation in last game I played.
I want to cycle this card but there are no allies or retainers in play.
Card Text:
The Secret Must Be Kept
Requires a Laibon
Choose an ally or a retainer. If the acting Laibon is a magaji, choose up to two allies or retainers. Successful referendum means the chosen allies and retainers are burned, and their controllers burn 1 pool (each methuselah burns no more than 1 pool, regardless of the number of allies and retainers chosen).
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So I interpreted this as: if I have a laibon and there are no allies or retainers I cannot play it. BUT if I have a magaji, I can CHOOSE UP TO two allies... and ZERO is on the way "up to" two, so then I can play it.
The cycle was pretty moot in the game but I figured I should ask. Is this the correct interpretation?
I want to cycle this card but there are no allies or retainers in play.
Card Text:
The Secret Must Be Kept
Requires a Laibon
Choose an ally or a retainer. If the acting Laibon is a magaji, choose up to two allies or retainers. Successful referendum means the chosen allies and retainers are burned, and their controllers burn 1 pool (each methuselah burns no more than 1 pool, regardless of the number of allies and retainers chosen).
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So I interpreted this as: if I have a laibon and there are no allies or retainers I cannot play it. BUT if I have a magaji, I can CHOOSE UP TO two allies... and ZERO is on the way "up to" two, so then I can play it.
The cycle was pretty moot in the game but I figured I should ask. Is this the correct interpretation?
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16 Oct 2013 23:26 #55397
by Juggernaut1981




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Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: The Secret Must Be Kept - Rules Clarification
The first sentence requires you to choose one. So to meet the text of the first sentence you must choose one. If you are a magaji, you must choose one (1st sentence) and you may choose up to two (2nd sentence).





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16 Oct 2013 23:35 #55398
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Replied by the1andonlime on topic Re: The Secret Must Be Kept - Rules Clarification
Huh.
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?
If that's the case, I have been reading this wrong all this while...
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?
If that's the case, I have been reading this wrong all this while...
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17 Oct 2013 04:09 #55400
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: The Secret Must Be Kept - Rules Clarification
I think there's an "instead" missing.Huh.
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?
If that's the case, I have been reading this wrong all this while...
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17 Oct 2013 05:30 #55402
by jamesatzephyr
Incorrect.
A Magaji can choose zero. [LSJ 20080620]
It's not correct. As above, a Magaji can choose zero. It's implicitly been ruled to be one sentence or the other, not both.
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The first sentence requires you to choose one. So to meet the text of the first sentence you must choose one. If you are a magaji, you must choose one (1st sentence) and you may choose up to two (2nd sentence).
Incorrect.
A Magaji can choose zero. [LSJ 20080620]
> Also, if The Secret Must Be Kept is called by a Magaji, and zero
> allies/retainers are chosen, the vote is still conducted normally, and
> if it passes, Voter Cap can still be played, right? I think yes.
Sure.
Based on this interpretation, a magaji successfully calling TSMBK can burn 1-3 allies or retainers?
It's not correct. As above, a Magaji can choose zero. It's implicitly been ruled to be one sentence or the other, not both.
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17 Oct 2013 06:13 #55404
by the1andonlime
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Pascal, can we officially add in the "instead" into the card text?
I know it's a trivial thing, but it is a small change that make the text much, much clearer.
I know it's a trivial thing, but it is a small change that make the text much, much clearer.
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