lock To be or not to be a discipline (Striga)

19 Nov 2015 08:01 #74404 by Jesper
According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”

The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline, and since there only can be discipline, clan or cost in the left column, can can a vampire with Infernal pact play Strix on superior?

There is not a bold text on top of the card saying that "Striga" is not a disciplin. It only write so at the inferior level.

Nothing on Strix at Surperior says that Striga isent a Disciplin
Nothing in the rules say it isent a disciplin (since the rule do not says what disciplins there are)

I am not talking about the inferior version, becouse thats a different discussion.

---- References ----
Strix
:str: +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. If this vampire successfully blocks this action, he or she untaps at the end of the action. :str: is not a Discipline.

:STR: Only usable when a bleed against you is successful. The bleed burns no pool. Instead, this vampire taps and enters combat with the acting minion.

infernal pact
Unique master.
Put this card on a Tremere antitribu you control and choose a Discipline. The vampire with this card can play cards that require that Discipline as though he or she has the superior version of that Discipline


(heh, even on this site it clains that Striga is a disciplin when using the striga symbol ;o)
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19 Nov 2015 08:27 - 19 Nov 2015 08:34 #74406 by Ankha
You're at odd with logic, aren't you?

According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”

Yes, in many cases. Not always.

The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline,

Like Canada Dry. It looks like a discipline (a bad design choice maybe), but it's not (cardtext).

and since there only can be discipline, clan or cost in the left column

Where the hell did you read that?

Since the premise is wrong, the rest is moot.

The topic also has been discussed here:

www.vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/31773-strigamaleficia#31773

There's no need to recreate a topic.

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19 Nov 2015 09:25 #74414 by BenPeal

The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline,

Like Canada Dry. It looks like a discipline (a bad design choice maybe), but it's not (cardtext).


Maleficia and Striga are disciplines, as per the rules:

vekn.net/card-lists/143-heirs-to-the-blood

Maleficia and Striga: Two new Disciplines that are only available to infernal vampires. The same way that Caitiff is not a clan, these are not true Disciplines, however (so just like "Caitiff" cannot be chosen for Consanguineous Boon, Ian Forestal couldn't use his ability to meet a Striga requirement, for example, nor could Maleficia be chosen as one of the Great Beast's Disciplines).

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19 Nov 2015 10:28 #74417 by Juggernaut1981

Striga
Master

Master: trifle.
Put this card on an infernal vampire. This vampire may play cards that require Striga [str] (not a Discipline). With two of these cards, he or she may play cards that require superior Striga [STR] . Burn this card if this vampire is not infernal.

1.4. The Golden Rule for Cards

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence.


It is not a discipline because the card overrides the rules, because the rules say the card overrides the rules.

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19 Nov 2015 10:43 #74420 by BenPeal
Only when that card is in play. ;)
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19 Nov 2015 12:25 #74424 by self biased

Only when that card is in play. ;)


i really wish they'd inverted the colors and just made a new class of thingy called non-discipline skills. That way Flight could be folded into that and be given a superior, and we wouldn't have the confusion that we do now.
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