Mirror Walk and Slave rule
11 Aug 2011 19:30 - 25 Mar 2013 12:41 #7935
by Xaddam
Adam Esbjörnsson,
Prince of Örebro
Mirror Walk and Slave rule was created by Xaddam
I'm wondering about the interaction between Mirror Walk and the slave rule. If an action is blocked with a Mirror Walk played can the acting minion's methuselah use the slave rule to untap the acting minion and have a gargoyle start a combat with the blocking minion?
I'd argue no because the action ends at the time the action is blocked.
I'd argue yes because (in some cases) you're allowed to choose the order in which to resolve your own effects (end action vs. slave rule in this case).
Which one is correct and why?
Thanks in advance.
Slave: Some minions are identified as slaves to a specified clan. A slave cannot take a directed action if his controller doesn�t control a ready member of the specified clan. Also, if a member of the specified clan controlled by the same Methuselah is blocked, the controller can tap the slave to cancel the combat and to untap the acting vampire and have the slave enter combat with the blocking minion instead.
Mirror Walk [Third:C, KoT:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Do not replace until your discard phase.
[tha] +1 stealth.
[THA] As [tha] above, and if this action is blocked, the action ends (with no combat).
I'd argue no because the action ends at the time the action is blocked.
I'd argue yes because (in some cases) you're allowed to choose the order in which to resolve your own effects (end action vs. slave rule in this case).
Which one is correct and why?
Thanks in advance.
Slave: Some minions are identified as slaves to a specified clan. A slave cannot take a directed action if his controller doesn�t control a ready member of the specified clan. Also, if a member of the specified clan controlled by the same Methuselah is blocked, the controller can tap the slave to cancel the combat and to untap the acting vampire and have the slave enter combat with the blocking minion instead.
Mirror Walk [Third:C, KoT:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Do not replace until your discard phase.
[tha] +1 stealth.
[THA] As [tha] above, and if this action is blocked, the action ends (with no combat).
Adam Esbjörnsson,
Prince of Örebro
Last edit: 25 Mar 2013 12:41 by Pascal Bertrand.
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11 Aug 2011 19:43 #7937
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Mirror Walk and Slave rule
Assuming superior Mirror Walk: no.I'm wondering about the interaction between Mirror Walk and the slave rule. If an action is blocked with a Mirror Walk played can the acting minion's methuselah use the slave rule to untap the acting minion and have a gargoyle start a combat with the blocking minion?
The latter, due to the "instead" word in the Slave rule. If the acting vampire isn't entering combat, the Slave can't step in for him.I'd argue no because the action ends at the time the action is blocked.
I'd argue yes because (in some cases) you're allowed to choose the order in which to resolve your own effects (end action vs. slave rule in this case).
Which one is correct and why?
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12 Aug 2011 11:57 #7984
by Forhead
Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark
Replied by Forhead on topic Re: Mirror Walk and Slave rule
I got a similar question concerning the Slave rule and Stone travel.
1) Is the same true for stone travel? (since there is not "end action" text)
2) Is it possible for the salve to use the "choose to cancel the resultning combat"?
Stone Travel
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Mytherceria/Obtenebration
[obt] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
[myt] +1 stealth.
[MYT] +1 stealth. If this action is blocked, this acting vampire may choose to cancel the resulting combat.
1) Is the same true for stone travel? (since there is not "end action" text)
2) Is it possible for the salve to use the "choose to cancel the resultning combat"?
Stone Travel
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Mytherceria/Obtenebration
[obt] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
[myt] +1 stealth.
[MYT] +1 stealth. If this action is blocked, this acting vampire may choose to cancel the resulting combat.
Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark
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12 Aug 2011 12:15 - 12 Aug 2011 12:16 #7986
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Mirror Walk and Slave rule
I'm not sure what "the same" is, but if a vampire is blocked after playing sup'Stone Travel, a Slave to that vampire's clan can't step in for a combat that was cancelled.I got a similar question concerning the Slave rule and Stone travel.
1) Is the same true for stone travel? (since there is not "end action" text)
No - the Slave mininon stepping in doesn't become the acting minion: the Slave can't play Freak Drive, As the Crow, Momentery Delay, ..2) Is it possible for the salve to use the "choose to cancel the resultning combat"?
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12 Aug 2011 12:18 #7987
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Mirror Walk and Slave rule
Well Stone Travel gives you option to cancel the combat, you don't -have- to cancel it like you do for Mirror Walk.
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12 Aug 2011 12:27 - 12 Aug 2011 12:30 #7988
by Brum
IANF, but anything that cancels the resulting combat of a blocked action, ends the action if it doesn't add anything else to do.
So, if the Stone Traveler chooses to cancel combat, he cannot trigger the Slave Rule.
If he chooses not to cancel the resulting combat and has a ready Slave that meets the requirements, the player can use the Slave Rule.
Right, mr. Floppy?
EDIT: I started writing this before there where answers
Replied by Brum on topic Re: Mirror Walk and Slave rule
I got a similar question concerning the Slave rule and Stone travel.
1) Is the same true for stone travel? (since there is not "end action" text)
2) Is it possible for the salve to use the "choose to cancel the resultning combat"?
Stone Travel
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Mytherceria/Obtenebration
[obt] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
[myt] +1 stealth.
[MYT] +1 stealth. If this action is blocked, this acting vampire may choose to cancel the resulting combat.
IANF, but anything that cancels the resulting combat of a blocked action, ends the action if it doesn't add anything else to do.
So, if the Stone Traveler chooses to cancel combat, he cannot trigger the Slave Rule.
If he chooses not to cancel the resulting combat and has a ready Slave that meets the requirements, the player can use the Slave Rule.
Right, mr. Floppy?
EDIT: I started writing this before there where answers

Last edit: 12 Aug 2011 12:30 by Brum.
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