file Tariq Merge during influence phase

01 Jul 2026 13:00 #117301 by Alanmut
Here is my question: first I play Tariq (Adv.), turn him into an Anarch, and then on the next turn I evolve him into the base version—which sect prevails? Would Tariq become Independent or Sabbat?

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01 Jul 2026 14:03 - 05 Jul 2026 14:27 #117302 by Ankha

Here is my question: first I play Tariq (Adv.), turn him into an Anarch, and then on the next turn I evolve him into the base version—which sect prevails? Would Tariq become Independent or Sabbat?


Cardtexts :

Name: Tariq, The Silent
[FN:U2, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Banu Haqim
Group: 2
Capacity: 7
Discipline: cel AUS FOR OBF QUI
Independent: While Tariq is controlled, he gets -4 capacity. He can enter combat with a vampire as a (D) action. Blood hunts cannot be called on him.
Artist: Christopher Shy

Name: Tariq, The Silent
[KMW:U, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Banu Haqim
Level: Advanced
Group: 2
Capacity: 7
Discipline: cel AUS FOR OBF QUI
Sabbat: While Tariq is controlled, he gets -4 capacity. He can strike, ranged: steal 1 blood or life (becoming blood). Black Hand. Red List.
[MERGED] Independent: Tariq's capacity is not reduced by his card text.
Artist: Steve Eidson

EDIT: I read the OP the otherway round. If Tariq base becomes Anarch then merges, he stays Anarch because: The base version is Independent. The merged version is also Independent, meaning Tariq won't change sect: he stays Anarch.

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In the OP, Tariq ADV becomes Anarch, then merges: he becomes Independent because his base sect (Sabbat) is different from his merged sect (Independent).

If the advanced card conflicts with the base card (a different sect, for example), the advanced card has precedence.


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01 Jul 2026 16:36 #117303 by meneran
Since I assume that normally there would be a sect change (Tariq ADV is Sabbat -> Tariq Merged is Independent), why does making the starting sect Anarch instead of Sabbat prevent the change?

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02 Jul 2026 18:55 - 05 Jul 2026 14:28 #117307 by Ankha

Since I assume that normally there would be a sect change (Tariq ADV is Sabbat -> Tariq Merged is Independent), why does making the starting sect Anarch instead of Sabbat prevent the change?

His starting sect is not Anarch, it's Independent. See cardtext.

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02 Jul 2026 22:32 #117312 by Coyote
Interesting. So, the Merge process happens simultaneously with the check for differences.

It doesn't work by first checking for discrepancies between the versions, correcting them, and then applying the "Merged" modifier.
(In that scenario, Tariq would have switched to Sabbat—regardless of his current sect—and then become Independent.)

Instead, the "Merged" modifier is applied, and the Advanced+Merged version is compared to the Basic version. (And since the Basic version and the Advanced+Merged version have the same sect, the sect doesn't change regardless of his current sect)

This one is tricky to see. :D

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03 Jul 2026 07:24 #117313 by Coyote
Even more complicated.

If you control the advanced version and merge it with the basic one, the resulting vampire will be Sabbat.

If you control the basic version and merge it with the advance one, the resulting vampire will be independent.

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