file Need help with this Gangrel deck

10 Mar 2021 23:52 - 11 Mar 2021 17:10 #101825 by AceWolf
I made this deck inspired by the winning deck of the TWD - FIRST BLOOD tournament, customizing it.
Can anyone suggest me some improvements? Or strategy to play it best?
I love this deck, but unfortunately I consume pool counters too quickly in every game. And I get ousted from the game by running out of resources very quickly.I usually start by waking Ingrid to get more transfers. Then going to wake Xaviar, and in the end Stanislava when the prey is weakened to complete the job with the '+2 bleed'. The other players in the local store where I play advised me to wake only two vampire for game, Xaviar and Stanislava, to get more votes. And wake Ingrid only in case more transfers are needed. Would that be a good tactic?

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=9 max=11 avg=10.)
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3x Ingrid Rossler :cap9: :dom: :ANI: :FOR: :PRO: Gangrel:2
4x Stanislava :cap11: :ANI: :CEL: :DOM: :FOR: :PRO: Gangrel:2
5x Xaviar (ADV) :cap10: :aus: :cel: :pot: :ABO: :ANI: :FOR: :PRO: Gangrel:3

Library: 90 cards

Master (17 cards)
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1x Ennoia's Theater
1x Giant's Blood
1x Information Highway
1x Mob Connections
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Backways
7x Villein
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Ecoterrorists

Action (5 cards)
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5x Deep Song

Action Modifier (9 cards)
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5x Freak Drive
4x Earth Control

Action Modifier/Combat (2 cards)
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2x Predator's Transformation

Political Action (17 cards)
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6x Anathema
2x Ancilla Empowerment
3x Parity Shift
1x Political Stranglehold
5x Alastor

Combat (24 cards)
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4x Flesh of Marble
4x Hidden Strength
5x Indomitability
3x Taste of Vitae
8x Carrion Crows

Retainer (2 cards)
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2x Dog Pack

Equipment (3 cards)
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3x Assault Rifle

Reaction (11 cards)
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6x Second Tradition: Domain
5x Sense the Savage Way


Thanks all for the replies.
Last edit: 11 Mar 2021 17:10 by AceWolf.

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11 Mar 2021 08:43 #101829 by Ankha
Before we start discussing about it, have you tried the 25th Anniversary deck?
The crypt uses the same vampires (plus others) and rely on Dominate to bring out vampires and oust players.

If you have tried it, what are the reasons you discard dominate and play Alastor/Anathema with that crypt? What do you like best?

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11 Mar 2021 17:08 #101830 by AceWolf
No, I haven't tried playing the 25th deck (I own it, having bought it to get the cards needed to make this deck).

I was thinking of adding 7 Govern to speed up awakenings from the uncontrolled region. But I would have to remove several cards to make space.

I like Anathema, as it earns me life if I reduce the vampire with that card to 0 blood.
Alastor, as he makes me search for an equipment and assign it, paying half the cost. And it allows me to do a direct action "enter combat with" (if I understand correctly).

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11 Mar 2021 17:56 #101831 by Timo
Yes you understand correctly but what is your goal with this deck ?

Bringing out all 3 vampires and destroying your opponnent's vampires with the additional benefit of gaining a lot of pool ?

Doing all that seems cool on paper but it is a somewhat fragile strategy for different reasons :

the first is a lot of moving parts :
- having a big vampire out (justicar and inner circle are not cheap)
- passing an alastor political action (need to not be blocked and have enough votes)
- passing an anathema political action (again !)
- entering combat with said target
- empty the target

the second problem is no less problematic :
- burning your opponent vampires doesn't give you VP (which is how you win)

and the last problem is what I consider to be the last nail that broke the camel back :
- not all your opponents will have big juicy vampires you will want/need to destroy : some will have only small vampires and other mainly allies and small vamires in big numbers or any number of allies will be problematic for an alastor deck ( the 2 ancillas are a good start).

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11 Mar 2021 18:14 - 11 Mar 2021 18:15 #101832 by Ankha


the first is a lot of moving parts :
- empty the target
 

Especially with only 2 Dog Packs, you will not manage to burn vampires playing Strike: Combat Ends reliably. Since you need the pool to survive, you may die quickly, especially with no crypt acceleration and if you plan to bring Ingrid out first (who cannot play Alastor).


the second problem is no less problematic :
- burning your opponent vampires doesn't give you VP (which is how you win)
 

That's the main problem.

The 25th anniversary works the opposite: bring Stanislava out first because she can play everything at superior (so if you have an aggressive predator, you can still play your cards at their best), and most importantly, she can Govern down to bring out other vampire for a discount. And she can deflect, meaning a higher chance of survival.

I'd suggest you give it a try to compare how the two decks behave.

Alastor / Anathema is not bad, but 1/ probably with a different crypt that can play Psyche! (only Stanislava would be able to do with this crypt) 2/ you still need a plan to oust your prey.

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Last edit: 11 Mar 2021 18:15 by Ankha.

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11 Mar 2021 22:17 #101833 by AceWolf

 what is your goal with this deck ?
 


The goal is initially to weaken the prey, with combat. With anathema to try to get pool, but using anathema is a secondary strategy. And then when he is without vampires, eliminate the prey with bleed actions.

Should I remove some Anathema bringing it to 4-5? removing other cards to can add 6-7 governs to speed up the crypt or to bleed?

 I'd suggest you give it a try to compare how the two decks behave.
 


I'll try, thanks for the advice.

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