file Submission: Dark Statue

13 Oct 2014 18:21 #66540 by Klaital
Name: Dark Statue
Cardtype: Action/Combat
Cost: None
Capacity: N/A
Discipline: Thaumaturgy/Visceratika
Clan: None
:tha:::combat: Only usable before range is determined, this vampire burns a blood to be immune to aggravated damage this round.
:vis:::action: +1 stealth action. Put this card on this acting vampire. The vampire with this card is immune to aggravated damage when not acting. A vampire can have only one Dark Statue. Burn this card if this vampire goes to torpor.
:VIS:::action: As :vis: above, and this vampire cannot be the target of D actions, other methuselahs cannot play master cards targeting this vampire.

Flavor text: None

Art notes: Its middle of the day at a park, there is a gargoyle staying still on a pillar, completely ignored by people minding their own business in the park, who mistake it for just an ordinary statue.

World of Darkness reference: Dark Statue is a level 6 Visceratike power in the rpg, both 2nd edition and revised, and is the only Visceratika power that has not yet been made into a card in v:tes. What it does in the rpg is a passive ability that makes the gargoyle immune to sunlight as long as they don't move, allowing them appear like an ordinary statue and spend the day pretty much anywhere where a statue would not look too out of place.

How does this card address a compelling game need?: This allows gargoyles some more options to make them more effective in their usual role, which is as defensive vampires, my giving them defense against cards such as sensory deprivation or pentex subversion to name a few.

Created by: Kari Mäkinen

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13 Oct 2014 19:31 #66546 by jamesatzephyr

:tha:::combat: Only usable before range is determined, this vampire burns a blood to be immune to aggravated damage this round.


That makes Burst of Sunlight significantly easier to use, without the need for Rotschreck or similar shenanigans.

:vis:::action: +1 stealth action. Put this card on this acting vampire. The vampire with this card is immune to aggravated damage when not acting. A vampire can have only one Dark Statue. Burn this card if this vampire goes to torpor.
:VIS:::action: As :vis: above, and this vampire cannot be the target of D actions, other methuselahs cannot play master cards targeting this vampire.


[vis] looks interesting, but [VIS] seems a little over the top. What's left as a plausible way of trying to force interaction with it, Banishment? No Bum's Rush, no Temptation, no Mind Numb, no Mind Rape, no Spirit Marionette, no Nose of the Hound, no Rotschreck, no Priority Contract...

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13 Oct 2014 19:44 - 13 Oct 2014 20:16 #66547 by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Submission: Dark Statue
VIS is purposefully strong, because gargoyles are not exactly top tier, not even among bloodlines, so they could use strong cards. Also just sitting there untouchable isn't going to win you games, you can just do actions that the gargoyle needs to block and then kick their ass in combat, or just ignore it and stealth past if thats what your deck does. Its purpose is basically to give gargoyles a nearly unique edge as wall vampires in that they can become unpentexable, because, well they can use something like that to get a bit more competitive.

But yes its still vulnerable to votes, and to certain other things like anarch troublemaker, Intisar's special, superior Edged Illusion, or just blocking it when it tries to do something since, like I said earlier, just standing there untouchable doesn't win you games.

Also for the tha effect, taking in that Flames of the Netherworld already exists, I don't really see it making burst of sunlight broken, you spend 2 cards and 1 blood to strike for 2 agg, there are many discplines that can do that with a single card.

EDIT: Thinking about it more, could perhaps though change it so the superior effect is only active when the gargoyle with it is untapped.
Last edit: 13 Oct 2014 20:16 by Klaital.

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13 Oct 2014 20:16 - 13 Oct 2014 20:18 #66548 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Submission: Dark Statue
I dislike thematically how the inferior make you immune to jar of skin eater, but not horseshoe.

I don't see it too much as what gargoyle need ; in general, my problem is make the library both tremere and slave gargoyle without jamming too hard. In the lore, gargoyles are the perfect compliment for tremere, but in VtES good luck drawing the aus/dom/thau cards for the master while getting your raking talons and such for your gargoyles.

ome Domination cards with visceratika outferior would do a world of good - say, bleed at inf dom, put blood on a vampire enslaved to the active minion at sup dom, and some visceratika effect as outferior.
Last edit: 13 Oct 2014 20:18 by Ohlmann.

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14 Oct 2014 00:31 #66551 by Juggernaut1981
Benefits of Obedience
Action
Dominate/Visceratika :dom::vis:
+1 stealth
:dom: Put 2 blood from the blood bank on a vampire which is a Slave to this vampire.
:vis: Rescue a vampire with Thaumaturgy :tha: from torpor as a (D) action which costs 1 blood.
:DOM: Put 2 blood from the blood bank on an uncontrolled vampire which would be a Slave to this vampire. If there is blood equal to or greater than the uncontrolled vampire's capacity, move it to the ready region.

"Obedience is the mother of success and is wedded to safety." -Aeschylus

:bruj::CEL::POT::PRE::tha: Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

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14 Oct 2014 01:10 #66553 by self biased

Benefits of Obedience
Action
Dominate/Visceratika :dom::vis:
+1 stealth
:dom: Put 2 blood from the blood bank on a vampire which is a Slave to this vampire.
:vis: Rescue a vampire with Thaumaturgy :tha: from torpor as a (D) action which costs 1 blood.
:DOM: Put 2 blood from the blood bank on an uncontrolled vampire which would be a Slave to this vampire. If there is blood equal to or greater than the uncontrolled vampire's capacity, move it to the ready region.

"Obedience is the mother of success and is wedded to safety." -Aeschylus


i like it, but it's weird. wouldn't :vis: be first as it's technically the outferior?

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