Anthology set previews: April 17
17 Apr 2017 10:00 - 17 Apr 2017 10:04 #81486
by Damnans
Welcome to the third week of previews of the Anthology set!
Clarification
All cards that are played after the resolution of an action (either successful or unsuccessful) have had their text clarified. The timing is now explicitely given, whereas previously it was left in a grey zone ("at the end of the action" that could happen before the action continues, or "when something happens" that occurs sometimes before or after the event). The text of Enkil Cog was typically describing the same timing window with two different terms ("when" and "after resolution"), due to older wordings that had been accumulated through the years without any massive cleanup. The rule team is aiming to remove as much unneccessary text as possible, and clarify the card texts with new, consistent wordings.
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Anthology set previews: April 17 was created by Damnans
Official release: May 11, 2017
Legal for Tournament Play: May 11, 2017
Legal for Tournament Play: May 11, 2017
Welcome to the third week of previews of the Anthology set!
PREVIEWS
Enkil Cog | Apolonia Czarnecki | Aisha az-Zahra |
Clarification
All cards that are played after the resolution of an action (either successful or unsuccessful) have had their text clarified. The timing is now explicitely given, whereas previously it was left in a grey zone ("at the end of the action" that could happen before the action continues, or "when something happens" that occurs sometimes before or after the event). The text of Enkil Cog was typically describing the same timing window with two different terms ("when" and "after resolution"), due to older wordings that had been accumulated through the years without any massive cleanup. The rule team is aiming to remove as much unneccessary text as possible, and clarify the card texts with new, consistent wordings.











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17 Apr 2017 11:27 #81488
by the1andonlime
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Why doesn't Enkil Cog use the new "attached" wording? Shouldn't it say "the attached vampire" instead of "this vampire"?
Kinda feels like we're going back to the problem of inconsistent wording across cards.
Kinda feels like we're going back to the problem of inconsistent wording across cards.
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17 Apr 2017 11:45 - 17 Apr 2017 12:06 #81489
by TwoRazorReign
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I think I know what the answer is going to be: For Enkil Cog, the card is put on the acting vampire; for field training, the card is put on another vampire other than the acting minion. So "attached" is used for Field Training and not for Enkil Cog. My question is, is Enkil Cog attached to the vampire? From the new addition to the rulebook, I believe it is.
That's a good point about inconsistent wording. Here's another one: why does Madness Network say "follow normal sequencing rules," but Enkil Cog does not? Is this just inconsistent application of "reminder" text, or do the two cards work differently in terms of sequencing?
And when exactly does a bleed resolve? Should Enkil Cog say "after resolution of a successful bleed action? Doesn't a bleed action resolve with either an unsuccessful (0 or less) or successful (1 or greater) bleed? I'm confused as to whether Enkil Cog is played when the action resolves (part D in the Detailed Play Summary) or when the bleed is successful (Part C in the Detailed Play Summary).
That's a good point about inconsistent wording. Here's another one: why does Madness Network say "follow normal sequencing rules," but Enkil Cog does not? Is this just inconsistent application of "reminder" text, or do the two cards work differently in terms of sequencing?
And when exactly does a bleed resolve? Should Enkil Cog say "after resolution of a successful bleed action? Doesn't a bleed action resolve with either an unsuccessful (0 or less) or successful (1 or greater) bleed? I'm confused as to whether Enkil Cog is played when the action resolves (part D in the Detailed Play Summary) or when the bleed is successful (Part C in the Detailed Play Summary).
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17 Apr 2017 13:09 - 17 Apr 2017 14:50 #81490
by jamesatzephyr
Every card follows the normal rules, except where they contradict each other (Golden Rule of Cards). Since Enkil Cog doesn't contradict the normal sequencing rules, it follows the normal sequencing rules.
(Enkil Cog does clearly contradict the rules aboutonly not being able to act in other people's turns.)
Part C tells you how to resolve a block attempt - not the whole action, or the action's effect. Once you've determined that all the block attempts fail (and no other magic effect is used to cause the action to fail), you move into D. It's only in D that any resolution of the bleed or bleed action occurs.
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That's a good point about inconsistent wording. Here's another one: why does Madness Network say "follow normal sequencing rules," but Enkil Cog does not? Is this just inconsistent application of "reminder" text, or do the two cards work differently in terms of sequencing?
Every card follows the normal rules, except where they contradict each other (Golden Rule of Cards). Since Enkil Cog doesn't contradict the normal sequencing rules, it follows the normal sequencing rules.
(Enkil Cog does clearly contradict the rules about
And when exactly does a bleed resolve? Should Enkil Cog say "after resolution of a successful bleed action? Doesn't a bleed action resolve with either an unsuccessful (0 or less) or successful (1 or greater) bleed? I'm confused as to whether Enkil Cog is played when the action resolves (part D in the Detailed Play Summary) or when the bleed is successful (Part C in the Detailed Play Summary).
Part C tells you how to resolve a block attempt - not the whole action, or the action's effect. Once you've determined that all the block attempts fail (and no other magic effect is used to cause the action to fail), you move into D. It's only in D that any resolution of the bleed or bleed action occurs.
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17 Apr 2017 13:30 - 17 Apr 2017 13:32 #81491
by TwoRazorReign
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You say "bleed or bleed action." Are they different?
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17 Apr 2017 14:49 #81492
by jamesatzephyr
The action can be successful (reached resolution unblocked), but the bleed be unsuccessful (resolved for zero or less). In much the same way, a political action can be successful (unblocked, referendum called), while the referendum fails.
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You say "bleed or bleed action." Are they different?
The action can be successful (reached resolution unblocked), but the bleed be unsuccessful (resolved for zero or less). In much the same way, a political action can be successful (unblocked, referendum called), while the referendum fails.
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