check Rules Team Rulings 02-DEC-11

02 Dec 2011 19:02 #16854 by fredsct
Conversely, people can beat me constantly no matter what cards I use! :laugh:

Seriously, Minion Tap was never wallpaper at any time. This step was not necessary although I can see reasons why people may think it good. Say Minion Tap will be somewhat more usable now than it was before. I used to hang out in the Magic the Gathering newsgroups for about 10 years or so after that game was created and the VtES newsgroup as well. One thing I discovered is that there's no limit to what someone or other will say about a card. I would encounter posts people made about how a card I thought was absolute wallpaper, someone else would insist was a God card that should be banned, and vica versa. If you argue about a card long enough, sooner or later someone will come along with a completely different perception of it than your's.

Fred

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02 Dec 2011 19:42 #16858 by AaronC
The guy complaining about Minion Tap still being wallpaper is perhaps trying to say that Villein is still more competitive than Minion Tap, and if a card is more competitive, it makes the other card wallpaper.

I am not saying at all that I agree with him, however. Villein may be better than Minion Tap in many decks, but Minion Tap it is NOT wallpaper now. This is a welcome change for those us who want to use Minion Tap in casual play and/or who do not want to pay extra money to replace all our Minion Taps with Villeins.

Minion Tap is great for political decks and fine for casual pool retrieval. Heck, this means my Assamite/Assault Rifle/Minion Tap/Clandestine Contract/Provision of the Silsila deck might be mildly effective!

Thanks to Pascal and the rules team for their thoughtful changes. It is good to see VEKN's active efforts to improve and update the game.

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02 Dec 2011 19:48 #16859 by Haze
I really appreciate the "Ballot" change to Priscus votes. a very elegant change to clear up a lot of confusion when they interact with certain cards.

Villein's errata is interesting. It acknowledges that there has been power creep in the game, but doesn't try to "rewind" the game to pre-villein. I think I like this change. (also, on the rare times someone did play a Minion Tap, it was a little bit of a hassle to count every single villein on the table to calculate the cost)


now let's get back to discussing which cards should be f'ing bann'd...

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02 Dec 2011 20:39 - 02 Dec 2011 20:39 #16861 by AaronC

I really appreciate the "Ballot" change to Priscus votes. a very elegant change to clear up a lot of confusion when they interact with certain cards.


Yes, because the term "vote" had two meanings: Votes cast in the referendum (including the Priscus block's three votes) and votes cast in the Priscus subreferendum.

I wonder if this changes how any cards actually function? I did some spot checks in Pascal's errata document, and it looks like everything works as you would expect it to: Prisci can be Bribed and and have their ballots Telepathically Counted, and they lose their ballot in a Free States Rant.
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02 Dec 2011 20:45 - 02 Dec 2011 20:45 #16863 by Hakuron
I am stunned, Rules Team, great work! :woohoo:


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02 Dec 2011 20:50 #16864 by Kushiel

That issue aside, the V:EKN is working hard to keep this game well and alive and this was a big step to help the players. Yet there are people who don't appreciate anything, and that makes me angry.


Sadly, haters gonna hate, brother. Don't let them get to you. Instead, stifle your laughter as you're picking the remains of those ousted fools out of your teeth while you're stacking VPs to the ceiling.

Seriously, I think the VEKN has been doing a sniper-precise job. I know I've poked the gang a few times with a stick a few times while wearing the Devil's Avocado hat, but you folks should know that the silent majority out there knows that you're working hard and making a strong go of it. That probably doesn't get said enough. Thank you.
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02 Dec 2011 22:17 #16887 by Juggernaut1981
So just to double check... with this new window for Psyche!...

Q: Does Psyche still create a NEW combat? Do cards like Carrion Crows, and other "for the rest of combat" cards still end with Psyche!?

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02 Dec 2011 23:58 #16894 by Ankha

So just to double check... with this new window for Psyche!...

Q: Does Psyche still create a NEW combat? Do cards like Carrion Crows, and other "for the rest of combat" cards still end with Psyche!?


Psyche! has the same effect as before, it's just that now it's a combat card played during combat.

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03 Dec 2011 00:06 #16896 by Nick M

Seriously, I think the VEKN has been doing a sniper-precise job. I know I've poked the gang a few times with a stick a few times while wearing the Devil's Avocado hat, but you folks should know that the silent majority out there knows that you're working hard and making a strong go of it. That probably doesn't get said enough. Thank you.


Agreed! Thanks Johannes and VEKN, there are a lot of us who appreciate the effort you are putting in!

Nick

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03 Dec 2011 00:11 #16897 by TunFiskeMad
so psyche can no longer beat Rotschreck?

Sorry for being a hassle - love the villein errata by the way, great smooth fix.

- I have bitten the mighy judge-beard.

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