file Re: Secure Haven & Banishment

19 Jan 2012 04:13 #21158 by Juggernaut1981
I'm sure this was covered somewhere sometime, my Google-Fu is not what it used to be.

Can a vampire with Secure Haven be chosen for a Banishment?

Secure Haven
Type: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have only one haven.

Banishment
Type: Political Action
Choose a younger ready vampire. Successful referendum means that the chosen vampire is moved to the uncontrolled region (breaking any temporary control effects). The vampire is uncontrolled. Any cards and counters on that vampire stay with him or her (but they are out of play as long as the vampire remains uncontrolled).

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19 Jan 2012 04:40 - 19 Jan 2012 04:42 #21160 by Pagan
Replied by Pagan on topic Re: Secure Haven & Banishment
The political action is unirected.

The terms of the referendum may target a vampire but that isn't an action. See Black Throne Yoruba Shrine for precedent on this too.
Last edit: 19 Jan 2012 04:42 by Pagan.

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19 Jan 2012 04:54 - 19 Jan 2012 04:55 #21161 by TorranceCircle
From rulebook section 11 special terms:

"Directed Action: An action of one Methuselah's minion that targets one or more other Methuselahs (or the minions or cards they control).

Undirected Action: An action that is not directed."


I was going to say something similar to Pagan. If a political action is undirected than it is not an action targeting the minion.
Last edit: 19 Jan 2012 04:55 by TorranceCircle.

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19 Jan 2012 05:01 #21164 by KevinM
A similar-enough ruling, if you need one:

groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/296683f58a10fc56

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19 Jan 2012 07:50 #21179 by Pascal Bertrand

Can a vampire with Secure Haven be chosen for a Banishment?

Yes, as there is nothing preventing that. A vampire chosen in the terms of a political action (which is undirected) isn't the target of that action, and choosing a vampire in Banishment terms won't make the political action directed.

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19 Oct 2022 19:39 #106614 by Joscha
Excuse me, if the question was answered already, but it seems, Secure Haven was reworded (just played on lackey)?

So can you NOW target a vampire in a Secure Haven with a Banishment?

Name: Secure Haven
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. >This minion cannot be the target of other Methuselahs' actions<. Master cards targeting this minion cost 1 additional pool. Burn this card after this minion goes to torpor. A minion can have only one haven.

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