file Dealing before the game

19 Apr 2026 07:04 - 19 Apr 2026 14:37 #116862 by Raven
Hello,

I have a question,

There was a situation where during choosing seats before final, player offered a Vp to another player for take exact seat.

Is it allowed?

I know that discussions are ok according to this

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/ma8z8iBgHEU/m/j6EWZ_p_1iAJ

But i'm not sure about this kind of "trading"
Last edit: 19 Apr 2026 14:37 by Raven.

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19 Apr 2026 10:22 #116864 by Pudel
Replied by Pudel on topic Dealing before the game
I feel like more appropriate phrasing of this question is:
1) Is the moment when seating is chosen part of the game?
2) What (if any) discussion is allowed during seating between players?
Examples:
Player A tells Player B that if they choose to sit as Player’s A predator, they will rush their vampires from turn 1 and will not allow them to play and therefore encourages them to sit somewhere else.

Player A asks if they sit crosstable from player B, will they be generally supportive for each other when voting.

Player A offers Player B to sit as their predator and not go forward until they score a VP in exchange for a genuine attempt from player B to get VP as fast as possible. Rationale being - Player A can’t deal with B’s prey on their own (e.g. too much intercept, vote lock etc.)

Players are aware of a particularly explosive deck on the table, e.g. Tupdogs, Chameleon, Clow Car and discuss of there is a way to sit that will help them against such deck and what that would entail, e.g. Player A (vote deck) offers Player B (block deck) to deal damage crosstable against their prey if they sit next to Clown Car player and block their Embraces.

Etc etc

The point being - all of the above would have been generally acceptable during the game as pretty standard deals, I would presume. Would the same be allowed during seating selection?

OP’s question may suggest the offer of a VP does not bring any benefit to the player offering the VP and is made purely to help somebody else to win.
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19 Apr 2026 15:26 - 19 Apr 2026 15:27 #116866 by Raven
Replied by Raven on topic Dealing before the game
According to Tournament Rules Choosing of seating is before Pre-Game Procedure so it is not a part of the game.

Situation that I have mentioned is like trade that for let's say for 1 VP (that means that offering player will be doing things to help another player to gain this 1 VP) another player will take the particular seat, it doesn't guarantee anyone GW, but can greatly influence game and it's outcome overall.

so that's why i'm asking if making such deals before game has even started is legal?
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20 Apr 2026 17:53 #116874 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Dealing before the game

According to Tournament Rules Choosing of seating is before Pre-Game Procedure so it is not a part of the game.

Correct.

Situation that I have mentioned is like trade that for let's say for 1 VP (that means that offering player will be doing things to help another player to gain this 1 VP) another player will take the particular seat, it doesn't guarantee anyone GW, but can greatly influence game and it's outcome overall.

so that's why i'm asking if making such deals before game has even started is legal?

You cannot make deals outside a game, so no.

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20 Apr 2026 19:13 - 21 Apr 2026 14:25 #116876 by Kalesoner
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double post
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20 Apr 2026 19:46 #116877 by Kalesoner
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Thanks Ankha, me being the guilty player, who offered another player a help in getting his VP, I was doing so confident that I'm doing this legally, as I was aware only of the LSJ's comments posted in the original post by Raven. From what I understood everything that is not a threat is allowed on condition that it is transparent to other finalists. Would you be so kind and comment on LSJ's comments and respond to Pudel's questions too? I'd be really happy to see more context and get more understanding what kind of conversation is allowed if it is allowed at all when choosing the seatings. I myself was in similar (but not the same) spot too, When I asked was this legal I was sent the LSJ's rulings.

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