On Lilith's Blessing 3. "problematic card"
19 Nov 2011 08:00 #14971
by wastaz
I really like this idea. It's really quite interesting.
However, I am
PRO
* The real problem is villein. Getting a vampire to 0 blood in the master phase is hard to do reliably without it.
* It already costs 1 MPA to put Liliths into play, and another MPA each time you want to use it. I've never seen this card as a problem because often enough choosing between using liliths and playing an actual master card is just so damn hard when I'm actually in the game.
* To use it reliably you have to fill your deck with them, playing just 1 liliths in a deck of 90 is just asking for not seeing it during your entire game.
Of course, the multiple-master-action craze that is going on right now is making liliths a better card than otherwise. Heck, with Nana or Anson out you could potentially even use minion tap to do the villein-liliths combo if you wanted
Though I still feel that the main problem is villein and its trifleness. With Anson out I could potentially do Minion Tap+Lilith on one of my vampires. But that would be it. With Anson out and villein I could do Villein+Lilith+Another cool master, which is much better.
If the proposed fixes to villein (limit the blood it takes for instance) is done, I don't see that Liliths should be a huge problem (except for decks that only bloat, but if you want to make a bloat-only deck then go ahead, more power to you).
Replied by wastaz on topic Re: On Lilith's Blessing 3. "problematic card"
2.b. Forcing a discipline card to be fetched (similar to The Becoming). (Actually this is not my idea, but another German player (Sebastian?) suggested this this week to me).
I really like this idea. It's really quite interesting.
However, I am
PRO
* The real problem is villein. Getting a vampire to 0 blood in the master phase is hard to do reliably without it.
* It already costs 1 MPA to put Liliths into play, and another MPA each time you want to use it. I've never seen this card as a problem because often enough choosing between using liliths and playing an actual master card is just so damn hard when I'm actually in the game.
* To use it reliably you have to fill your deck with them, playing just 1 liliths in a deck of 90 is just asking for not seeing it during your entire game.
Of course, the multiple-master-action craze that is going on right now is making liliths a better card than otherwise. Heck, with Nana or Anson out you could potentially even use minion tap to do the villein-liliths combo if you wanted
Though I still feel that the main problem is villein and its trifleness. With Anson out I could potentially do Minion Tap+Lilith on one of my vampires. But that would be it. With Anson out and villein I could do Villein+Lilith+Another cool master, which is much better.
If the proposed fixes to villein (limit the blood it takes for instance) is done, I don't see that Liliths should be a huge problem (except for decks that only bloat, but if you want to make a bloat-only deck then go ahead, more power to you).
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19 Nov 2011 15:21 - 19 Nov 2011 15:21 #15029
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic Re: On Lilith's Blessing 3. "problematic card"
PRO
I´m not really for errata nor banning. I´ve tried the card in several decks and find that if you use alot of them without having extra MPAs, you don´t get to play many other funny masters. With extra MPAs it´s another thing, but that´s a whole other problem - the extra MPA-decks are too strong in general and needs some good hosing.
Suggested master-hosing card:
Methuselah´s Thirst
Event
The first non-out of turn master played in each master phase cost 1 additional pool. Each subsequent non-out of turn master played cost 2 additional pool.
(This card also speeds up games = good. Alternatively, it could be first master = 0 additional pool, each subsequent = 2 additional pool.)
Suggested Bahari-hoser:
Give pain to seekers
Unique master
Tap this card during your minion phase and choose a vampire. Once until your next untap phase, the chosen vampire may burn 1 blood to enter combat with any minion as a
action. If the minion is Bahari, this action is at +1 stealth. Any vampire can steal this card as a action.
(Note: Might need some more restrictions. But you get the idea.)
Another suggested Bahari-hoser:
Lilith´s Damnation
Master
Put this card in play. As a master phase action, you may tap this card choose a ready non-Bahari vampire. That vampire burns one blood and becomes Bahari.
(Note: If any Bahari-hosing cards are harsh, it also opens up for good cards playable by Bahari.)
If you absolutely want to errata the Blessing, I suggest forcing the adding of a skill card (as per The Becoming).
I´m not really for errata nor banning. I´ve tried the card in several decks and find that if you use alot of them without having extra MPAs, you don´t get to play many other funny masters. With extra MPAs it´s another thing, but that´s a whole other problem - the extra MPA-decks are too strong in general and needs some good hosing.
Suggested master-hosing card:
Methuselah´s Thirst
Event
The first non-out of turn master played in each master phase cost 1 additional pool. Each subsequent non-out of turn master played cost 2 additional pool.
(This card also speeds up games = good. Alternatively, it could be first master = 0 additional pool, each subsequent = 2 additional pool.)
Suggested Bahari-hoser:
Give pain to seekers
Unique master
Tap this card during your minion phase and choose a vampire. Once until your next untap phase, the chosen vampire may burn 1 blood to enter combat with any minion as a
action. If the minion is Bahari, this action is at +1 stealth. Any vampire can steal this card as a action.(Note: Might need some more restrictions. But you get the idea.)
Another suggested Bahari-hoser:
Lilith´s Damnation
Master
Put this card in play. As a master phase action, you may tap this card choose a ready non-Bahari vampire. That vampire burns one blood and becomes Bahari.
(Note: If any Bahari-hosing cards are harsh, it also opens up for good cards playable by Bahari.)
If you absolutely want to errata the Blessing, I suggest forcing the adding of a skill card (as per The Becoming).
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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