file TWDA Analysis

02 Aug 2018 18:31 #89551 by skimflux
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More data and analysis!

I managed to get the frequency of disciplines in the TWDA - for Library and Crypt cards. The following list is ordered by the number of decks using the discipline in the library:
DisciplineCryptLibraryPercentage]
Dominate2162134762%
Auspex2361112648%
Obfuscate199594247%
Presence210891844%
Fortitude208783240%
Animalism160759637%
Celerity204953826%
Potence187945624%
Thaumaturgy128336328%
Protean116930726%
Dementation64821733%
Obtenebration62820533%
Serpentis42820448%
Necromancy51317234%
Vicissitude65715924%
Spiritus91115126%
Temporis35107306%
Daimoinon17210662%
Chimerstry3379929%
Quietus3289930%
Mytherceria907887%
Obeah896067%
Visceratika954952%
Abombwe834352%
Melpominee493367%
Valeren532751%
Thanatosis422764%
Sanguinus26623%
Grand Total28502751

The top of the list is pretty much as expected - all the common disciplines are on top, with DOM and AUS far above everything else, and the 3 combat disciplines (ANI, POT, CEL) closing up the Top 8.
What's interesting here is how the Crypt frequency relates to the library rating - or rather, how it doesn't: Celerity is quite common in vampires, beating even Obfuscate, yet far less successful.

The double clan disciplines follow in the ranking, as expected - THA and PRO are pretty closely matched, as are DEM and OBT. THA and PRO have Mirror Walk and Earth Meld (+ Form of Mist) respectively to boost their numbers, while DEM and OBT get used for their staple of +bleed / +stealth cards.

Next comes Serpentis - this is mostly due to 139 decks using Temptation - Enticement is its second most popular card yet it only features in 50 decks!

Nec is most somewhat surprising: it ranks below SER, despite being available to 1 clan and 2 bloodlines, and being paired with the DOM in the Giovanni!

SPI and TEM follow bellow VIC, but both are peculiar - they are used in more libraries than crypts! This is certainly due to the good outferior effects in their cards: Domain of Evernight and Nose of the Hound seem to be quite popular for this use.

DAI is next in the ranking - unsurprisingly Unleash Hell's Fury leads the listing.

QUI and CHI are the least successful of the main clan disciplines, with very close stats (99 winning decks each and a ~30% Library-Crypt rate). Interestingly both fail to have a clear standout card, meaning that the winning decks with these disciplines have used a variety of different strategies.

The remaining BL disciplines close out the ranking - no big surprises here, MYT and OBE are fair, SAN is quite poor...

Lots of good info here, I hope BC is listening and ready to make some more cards to balance these numbers... ;)
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14 Aug 2018 20:52 #89987 by kschaefer
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I was looking at your sheet and I am having a difficult time figuring out what's not in the TWDA. I'm interested in cards that just never made it.

We all know Tortured Confession sucks. I would have, however, thought an ally deck somewhere would have included an Outcast Mage, but none does.

Is it possible to get a more explicit list of the missing cards?

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14 Aug 2018 23:59 #89989 by skimflux
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Sure, here's a listing of never-used cards for Library and Crypt:

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File Name: NoTWDA.zip
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I've also updated the file available in the .zip file with the most recent TWDA data, using a more complete (and complex) data model for more complex queries: 1drv.ms/u/s!Arz0OfxudeZ7lsww6-IeytWTNmWX1Q
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15 Aug 2018 23:12 #90034 by ICL
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The lack of advanced designation is notable in the no TWDA. Once you get past that, Sebastien Goulet advanced having never been in a TWD strikes me as really odd, though merging is a generally bad mechanic.

Improvised Flamethrower looks to be another case of the card not parsing well, so they probably get counted under Flamethrowers. Also, Seeds of Corruption, Succubus Club, Talbot's Chainsaw, Temptation of Greater Power.

Ravnos Cache not being in drew my attention, though there is how few Ravnos wins there have been and how many wins are very similar in concept.

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16 Aug 2018 20:51 #90051 by ReverendRevolver
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Just unzipped and skimmed, is this supposed to be no twd ever? Because improv flamethrower, blooding by the code, togp, talbots chainsaw, and more are in twds.
Looks like several cards didn't catch right.

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16 Aug 2018 22:22 #90052 by skimflux
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ADV vampires are not parsed at all (yet), so no surprise there. I'll check the remaining issues when I get back from the EC - the query is quite simple, it was probably a stupid mistake on my part.

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