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DJHedgehog wrote: -Ben is a great player, but not all of his entries would i consider “ground breaking” from a deck building perspective. Darby is a force unto himself, and you could do a study of his table manipulation from an emotional standpoint without even looking at deck contents.
Okiedoke. The point at which Ben and Darby aren't True Enough Scotsman w/r/t building original decks that are very strong and generally don't rely on the power cards that you claim are the fulcrum for success is the point at which we part ways in terms of being able to have an interesting conversation.
I didn't say anything about not building original decks. Look at the quote. Not all of Ben's decks are groundbreaking. He's like 50/50 well piloted schlock and powerful established cards and strategies. My point about smaller tournament sizes still stands when you look at his record. Sure he won with Obeso, but it was a 13 player tournament. Besides that fact, he's a great player which can put a lot of "W"'s in the column, especially considering the average VTES player isn't great.
Last 5 wins:
Emerald Legionnaires (13 Players)
Obeso (13 Players)
Samedi Stealth Bleed (38 Players)
Kiasyd Stealth Bleed (27 Players)
Nana Bukaro MMA Animalism Combat (10 Players)
4/5 of those decks are super straight forward decks that any reasonable player could win with. That's not a strike against Ben- he clearly knows what things are viable and plays them well.
My comment about Darby was confirming your statement. Darby plays almost exclusively schlock and is successful with it. My response was a theory as to how he may accomplish this, and I stand by it. He is a great player from a "table win" perspective, and that's special because most players can't see past their first VP. He's a great player from a table talk and emotional standpoint, which basically causes other players to make sub-optimal plays.
I respect Darby's ability in game and in deck building, but he is the exception and not the rule. To throw him out as a reason why below-average cards should exist is a logical fallacy.
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Also, since it seems like some people haven't realized it, bloodlines, especially the scarce ones, intentionally have more powerful cards to compensate for the fact they have lot more limited crypt options.That's intentional design, not an accident.