Timeouts in Finals: Do they happen too often?

When I have zero votes, I have no interaction with a kine. When I'm one of the targets of the kine, I have no interaction. There is absolutely no difference here.

In fact, one could argue that BECAUSE there is no interaction, Ashur Tablets should resolve fast because nobody can do a fuck about it once the third one hits the table. Ya know, like resolving a Villein isn't very hard either.

If some nitwit is taking forever to complete their Ashur cycle they should be told to speed things the hell up because they're stalling. If judges (or other players) don't have the balls to tell them then either it's not a problem, or they need to man the fuck up and start being actual judges.

Izaak wrote:

When I have zero votes, I have no interaction with a kine. When I'm one of the targets of the kine, I have no interaction. There is absolutely no difference here.

not true.
you can ask for the remaining damage point not being put on you, because you can provide compensation (blood from owain, let the pb montreal go, deal a rush etc... )

Well, if you want to nitpick, extremely few action can't be negociated.

If my prey hesitate between defense (redirection, rush, combat), or offense (stealth, bleed), there is something that can be negociated. If my prey want to villein for a lot, I can try to convince him that keeping blood on vampire for ousting my grandprey is better than turtling.

Izaak believe all thoses decisions can be done quickly enough in the current card pool, while nc-italy think some card take too much time to be resolved by design.

The only thing I will say on the topic is, the less serious and concentrated people will be, the more likely they are to take forever to divide KRC or use Ashur. And there is people that use tournament as social gathering and consequently are less than perfectly concentrated, leading to slow play. Aggressively handing out warning for that mean tournament will be less friendly for them and more for competitive player.

Ohlmann wrote:

Well, if you want to nitpick, extremely few action can't be negociated.

True.

Ohlmann wrote:

If my prey hesitate between defense (redirection, rush, combat), or offense (stealth, bleed), there is something that can be negociated.

True. You can tell him "go on, do your job, no agression from me for the next two turns", for exemple. It works great.

Ohlmann wrote:

If my prey want to villein for a lot, I can try to convince him that keeping blood on vampire for ousting my grandprey is better than turtling.

Mmm, this is another situation than the one described with the KRC. The actual terms of the villein are chosen when the card is played, you can't really negociate and change this(but you can comment).
Contrary to a KRC where there's some delay between "action is not blocked, we reach the referendum" and " let's set the terms". And even before, you can ask for hint to decide not to block if no damage is done to your pool. It's really, really different.

Ohlmann wrote:

The only thing I will say on the topic is, the less serious and concentrated people will be, the more likely they are to take forever to divide KRC or use Ashur. And there is people that use tournament as social gathering and consequently are less than perfectly concentrated, leading to slow play. Aggressively handing out warning for that mean tournament will be less friendly for them and more for competitive player.

... ok but the risk is the "relax" players won't come anymore and we'll lose half the tournament population. It happened before, it can happen again. Let's make a move to not divide the tournament scene again...

nc-italy wrote:

Izaak wrote:

I don't see the evidence still, really. What I see is your opinion, stated as fact and conclusions that have no basis.

By your logic KRC also slows down the game to a snail's pace because there needs a vote to be done and sometimes splits needs to be negotiated.

Political is negotation, so table interaction, sure it can pose another kind
of slowness problem but on another different level (negotiation slowness)
But cards such AT (or, say, the imbued mechanics with high amount of permanent in the game and long phases to be done without interactions) are no interaction at all, they're sort of autistical mechanics which, as said, just lead toward utter slowness of play

I know half a dozen serious Imbued players and none of them play slowly. In fact, they play faster than when they are playing with vampires.

This is sounding more and more like a local issue for you and nothing that the game or the community needs to address.