Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Bleed
21 Mar 2011 16:00 - 21 Mar 2011 16:01 #2684
by Dorrinal
Replied by Dorrinal on topic Re: Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Ble
I played this deck in a qualifier tournament last weekend. I did awful! Here are a few thoughts:
- Sudden Reversal was worth at least 1 VP.
- Telepathic Counter is better off as more bounce, probably Deflection. This deck is pretty easy to clock and I simply needed all the extra pressure.
- I had a couple of stalemate situations in which Blood Doll or Tribute to the Master would have given me an edge. Govern the Unaligned at superior wasn't enough.

Last edit: 21 Mar 2011 16:01 by Dorrinal.
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21 Mar 2011 23:00 #2689
by Mael
Replied by Mael on topic Re: Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Ble
Hi,
I made a similar deck inspired partly by this deck and comments in this thread. It's sufficiently different that I put it in it's own thread , but sufficiently similar that I thought I'd mention it here.
It is a bit on the large side but (surprisingly?) I didn't experience any major card flow issues with it. Possibly just lucky.
I made a similar deck inspired partly by this deck and comments in this thread. It's sufficiently different that I put it in it's own thread , but sufficiently similar that I thought I'd mention it here.
It is a bit on the large side but (surprisingly?) I didn't experience any major card flow issues with it. Possibly just lucky.
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22 Mar 2011 02:43 #2692
by Dorrinal
Replied by Dorrinal on topic Re: Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Ble
New version based on my experience at the Las Vegas Qualifier. No, it's not that different. What would you include for potential pool gain, if anything?
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 6 average: 4.5
2x Selena 6 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:3
2x Yasmin the Black 6 AUS THA dom pre !Tremere:3
1x Esoara 5 DOM aus for pot !Tremere:4
1x Frondator 5 AUS dom tha bishop !Tremere:4
1x Janine 4 aus dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Mosfair 4 cel dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Ehrich Weiss 3 dom tha Tremere:3
1x Ember Wright 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM !Tremere:4
1x Saiz 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
Library [60 cards]
Action [16]
10x Govern the Unaligned
3x Recure of the Homeland
3x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier [13]
4x Change of Target
5x Conditioning
4x Mirror Walk
Combat [6]
2x Burst of Sunlight
2x Theft of Vitae
2x Wind Dance
Equipment [1]
1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
Master [12]
2x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Coven, The
3x Effective Management
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Remover
2x Sudden Reversal
1x University Hunting Ground
Reaction [12]
2x Deflection
2x Delaying Tactics
3x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
3x Telepathic Misdirection
FYI, I do not own Eyes of Argus. I used My Enemy's Enemy for intercept a couple of times. Would it be better off as Deflection and/or Telepathic Misdirection for forward pressure? I don't think so, but I'd love to entertain further discussion.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 6 average: 4.5
2x Selena 6 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:3
2x Yasmin the Black 6 AUS THA dom pre !Tremere:3
1x Esoara 5 DOM aus for pot !Tremere:4
1x Frondator 5 AUS dom tha bishop !Tremere:4
1x Janine 4 aus dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Mosfair 4 cel dom tha !Tremere:4
1x Ehrich Weiss 3 dom tha Tremere:3
1x Ember Wright 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM !Tremere:4
1x Saiz 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
Library [60 cards]
Action [16]
10x Govern the Unaligned
3x Recure of the Homeland
3x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier [13]
4x Change of Target
5x Conditioning
4x Mirror Walk
Combat [6]
2x Burst of Sunlight
2x Theft of Vitae
2x Wind Dance
Equipment [1]
1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
Master [12]
2x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Coven, The
3x Effective Management
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Remover
2x Sudden Reversal
1x University Hunting Ground
Reaction [12]
2x Deflection
2x Delaying Tactics
3x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
3x Telepathic Misdirection
FYI, I do not own Eyes of Argus. I used My Enemy's Enemy for intercept a couple of times. Would it be better off as Deflection and/or Telepathic Misdirection for forward pressure? I don't think so, but I'd love to entertain further discussion.

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22 Mar 2011 12:05 #2703
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Ble
No use for Blood of Sandman here? Replacing the Change of Target for instance.
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22 Mar 2011 13:37 - 22 Mar 2011 13:37 #2710
by Amenophobis
Blood of Sandman is just plain awesome. It is annoying like hell for prey and predator.
I wouldn't replace the Change of Targets when using Blood of Sandman, as they help tapping vampires in the first place.
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No use for Blood of Sandman here? Replacing the Change of Target for instance.
Blood of Sandman is just plain awesome. It is annoying like hell for prey and predator.

I wouldn't replace the Change of Targets when using Blood of Sandman, as they help tapping vampires in the first place.

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22 Mar 2011 14:32 #2713
by Dorrinal
Replied by Dorrinal on topic Re: Black Magic Woman - Tremere Black Hand Tap-Ble
I don't own any Blood of Sandman. But if I did, I would consider replacing one recure or rutor's hand with it. On the other hand, that is a lot of blood to spend on something that isn't Conditioning...

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